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I’ve got a few pics on my phone. And oops! According to my imperfect serial number listing this gun is more like 1906.That is a little at odds with what Gene posted regarding production date ranges for 450 NE but I would tend to go with Gene's information as this serial number listing is known to be off a bit. So we might call this a 1909 to 1911 gun. Here they are:

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an amazing sight....thanks for letting us look over your shoulder....


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Super! War trophy?


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Originally Posted by Argo44
Super! War trophy?

That was the story. The Ideal and the German cape gun came in together and apparently both were brought back together. Cape gun appeared to have been used and abused. The Ideal looks as though it sat in a cupboard for a very long time.


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Salut,

Cette arme a l'air en très bon état.

On peut estimer sa fabrication entre 1910 et 1912.
Jusqu'en 1909, les Ideal Express sont montés avec des canons HERCULE 3 palmes. A partir de 1910, ils le sont avec des canons HERCULE 5 palmes. En 1913, la mention "EPROUVE FINI POUDRE PYROXYLEE" est supprimée.

Sur les canons ainsi que sur la bascule, la présence du poinçon "foudre" (apparu au banc d'épreuve de Saint-Etienne le 18 mars 1924 et qui désigne une arme éprouvée en état de livraison) reste un mystère pour moi.

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Voila - a crude translation:

This gun seems to be in very good condition.

Until 1909 the Ideal Express were fitted with Hercules 3 palms barrels. Beginning in 1910 they were fitted with Hercules 5 palms. In 1913, the stamp "EPROVE FINI POUDRE PYROXYLEE" (Finished proof for pyroxylin powder) was eliminated.

The presence of the lightening bolt stamp on the barrels and on the action, (which appeared as a Saint-Etienne proof stamp on 18 March 1924, to designate an arm proofed in the state of delivery) remains a mystery for me.

(Merci Fab, recherche de l'excellence).

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