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A bit of a rant (please forgive me). Just abandoned an attempt to have my teenage son hunt big game with me here in Colorado next year. Tonight is the deadline and nobody's answering the phone at the Division of Wildlife (perpetual busy signal all afternoon). Was creating an account for him online yesterday when I noticed that his CID number (customer ID number) wasn't accurate (missing 2 numbers). After several attempts to correct the number (which is linked to his hunter's safety number and the requisite "preliminary license" needed to apply for big game which we, of course, bought in person a few days ago) I was forced to try to start over, except that the system wouldn't let me in again, saying he already had an account and no new access would be allowed. Even new password attempts were rejected. Gee Whiz! How did we ever get to this point? We even went to where we'd bought his "preliminary" license earlier today and tried to fix the mess there but... no dice. He's got a lesson tonight (cancellation would be $100) and he opted out of the long drive to downtown Denver to try to fix it there (which would not be a guaranteed fix anyway).

Oh well....it's a draw and a longshot at that (no points from previous applications) but.....blast it! Teaches me to trust in these bedamnedable systems. The primary focus of most State DNR systems anymore is pure revenue generation, period. Sales without any human interaction (which adds cost) is how many (if not most) are operating now. Colorado even shortened their now-many rifle seasons to 5-days only for the simple reason that it allows them to sell many more tags to more hunters. Is this all part of "The Great Reset" by any chance?

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Agree Lloyd the system is not user friendly or straight forward. Even after logging in I had to give them my hunter safety number and then answer the same questions for each big game tag. I hunt with two people from the east coast nth ey weren't saying anything good about applying for tags.

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Blame it on Covid19, Lloyd. Everyone else does. Every ill that besets the world nowadays gets blamed on that.

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COVID is the shameless excuse for all sorts of shananagans. Paid for licence plates for my boys car in November here, the original plates and registration finally arrived on the last day of March ( after waiting 2 months I paid extra for hand delivery of a 2nd set at the courthouse).

KDGJ: can't imaging paying the new non-resident prices for just 5 days of hunting anyway....

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Sorry to hear of that struggle, Lloyd. That it involves benevolent government, making things difficult for a minor, pursuing sport hunting, surprises me not in the least.

It seems to me the local DNR has become narrowly focused on timber sales, deer, and turkeys, in that order. They seem quite uninterested in the fact the numbers of small game and waterfowl hunters declines every year in this state. Several years back, the DNR attempted to quietly phase in a lead shot ban, statewide, and were met with a fury of sportsman and legislators, who managed to come to the meetings that were scheduled in buildings and at times that were mostly impossible for working stiffs to be at, without losing work hours. We raised hell. They have been better behaved, since.

Unrelated, my son and I have opted out of our buddy trap league, since, ammunition to participate is unavailable at the moment, and the club can’t get it.

Good luck on your trip.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
It seems to me the local DNR has become narrowly focused on timber sales, deer, and turkeys, in that order.

Your local DNR/state is no different from mine, especially as it pertains to deer. They're the main reason for the deer we now have in plague proportions, IMO, and they're not slacking up. It seems to be full speed ahead. If someone with the initiative would file a class action law suit against the DNR for the increased number of deer/vehicle collisions and for the increased crop depredation I would join it in a skinny minute.

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Thanks for the thoughts Lloyd. I was considering walking around one of your state's bigger shows that's scheduled to reopen this summer, but I'm not going to bother figuring out which hoops need jumping through, if something looks interesting for purchase. I know, OT on an OT, but probably overseen by the same folks.

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Well, to be fair to our DNR folks, I'd sent a scathing text to the only place on their system where I could earlier tonight and somebody actually answered it. Long story short, they fixed their "new" system enough for me to get his application in with less than an hour to spare. I had a rather long, drawn-out email conversation with this fellow (even asking to do it by phone) but....he fixed it online. No call necessary. I must admit that I'm pleasantly surprised and a bit shocked by it all. Nothing in my other recent interactions (last year or so) with any other State agencies have gone nearly this well.

Now I guess we'll see how the "new" draw system actually works. I have two buddies who study this process every year (ones a geophysicist, the other's an electrical engineer) for weeks before we even attempt to apply for a tag anymore. God help us! All that's needed in that group is the addition of a tax attorney to assist with some of the twists and turns of the process requirements. We used to buy and then study the data from previous year's draw results and actual points required for determining what we might actually have a shot at, but none of that data is pertinent anymore with the "new " system dates and changing hunt codes (including new RFWs from now-defunct older ones). My "consiglieres" even set up a spreadsheet every year with all of the options we need to consider before we apply, can you believe that? You really have to want to hunt here, very badly.

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Happy to report that the North Dakota Game and Fish Dept. system worked flawlessly for me two days ago. Remembers nearly all information on me from previous years and only took a couple minutes. And it remembered my password so didn't need to find that. Picked the combo fishing, furbearer, small game, general game, and habitat up for $52 and got my new HIP number for migratory birds with it. Then got my gratis whitetail tag to hunt my land. Two clicks on the printer and done! No more driving to the city and filling out tiny forms to stick stamps on.

That problem of 'username' or 'password' already in use has driven me nutz several times and also the CapCha verification system that I can't use because of bad eyesight. I'm supposed to see some tiny bicycles or crosswalks on small dim pictures and just can't. I was OK with the jumbled letters and numbers system.

Happy hunting!

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Had the same problem a couple of years ago Lloyd. Couldnt find my sons Hunter Safety number and even though he had a CID it didnt note his Hunter Safety as verified. Computer wouldnt help us. Had to drive down to 6060 Broadway, where I was lucky enough to be the only customer there (a Tuesday afternoon, I recall) and the young warden/agent was very helpful and printed up a new Hunter Safety card for him in a jiffy. Problem solved. Youll have to tell me where you found the link or text number that got you your response. I may need it someday. (Unless I move to Wyoming) Mike P.

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