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After the invasion of the Low Countries by the Catholic King Philip II of Spain in 1567, and the August 29, 1572 St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy) of French Calvinist Huguenots, there was a Walloon (Belgium) and Huguenot (France) migration to Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Russia, South Africa, Germany, Ireland, Scotland, England, West Indies, South and North America, bringing with them Reform theology, and expertise in medicine, iron working and gun making, and textiles. The Huguenots were the intellectuals of France.
In 1600 400 Huguenot and Walloon mercenaries went to work for the Sultan.
In 1624 30 families, mostly Walloons and led by Josse de Forest, arrives in Terra Nova Belgica (New York) and settle New Avesnes (Manhattan) and the Hudson and Delaware Valleys. They wore silver half moons inscribed “Better Turk than Pope” from the statement by the Patriarch of Constantinople “Rather the turban of the Turk than the tiara of the pope.”
From 1661-1700 Walloons and Huguenots settle on the Binne Kill of the Mohawk River, establish Schenectady, Batavia (“better land”), New Rupella (Rochelle), New Paltz in the Walkill valley, Fort Orange (the future site of Albany), and in Connecticut, Pennsylvania and New Jersey, and to South Carolina.
Irénée du Pont was Huguenot, as were the Roosevelts. Delano was Walloon.

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I had the same thought as Argo about the gold robed guy: Mace w/chained ball.

1453 . . . part of Europe was still busy sorting out their own "ethnic cleansing" issues. The Hundred Years' War between England and France was just coming to a close, the French having succeeded in driving the English out, and conquering those parts of France from which the Plantagenets launched their successful invasion of England in 1066.

Re Huguenots, quite a few of them also ended up in South Africa. They obviously spread far and wide. But when a Protestant became king of France, he converted--with the simple statement: "Paris is worth a mass."

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This is the most fascinating thread, thank you all for posting! Having flunked history with a capital 'F', I now find it fascinating in my later years. And no current politics, RESULT!

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Toby, for pleasure and knowledge could I suggest you obtain these four slim volumes - they are all you'll need to know about history. The format is very simple. A Map on one page and a tightly edited (and humorous) text on the other. They are utterly brilliant, amazingly simple and Mr. McEvedy was a genius. I bought a set for each of my kids 30 years ago and have used them extensively since the 1980's. Plus they are just plain fun and really do explain linguistic variants of the caucasian languages, the pressures on the German tribes along the Rhine dealing with the Romans, etc. I carry the set when I go abroad (and when in Africa add the Penguin Atlas of African History (banned in South Africa because it shows the Zulus arriving after the Dutch.)

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You can buy them used for as low as $ 1.00 a book...and they are so easy to understand and so enjoyable that they are worth 1000 times that. Why isn't history taught like this?

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Thanks. I can't imagine the tribal battles required to develop all that technology!

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Shotgunlover re Russo-Turk war of 1877. Not to mention the fact that there were Confederate generals advising the Turks at the time including outfitting them with Winchesters.

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The Ottoman Empire created many great libraries.
Their method of governing conquered lands was subject to great abuse by appointed Pasha's, and led at times, to starvation of their subjects.
The Ottoman Empire was in serious decline by the mid- nineteenth century. Having failed to modernize, they had to import military technology and expertise.

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One thing I know for sure about Turkish gun making....I'll never buy a Turkish made gun.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
When you enlarge the picture the redhead in the gold robe appears to be holding something on the order of a set of nunchucks, a martial arts weapon, but with a longer chain. I have no idea that's what it is, but it sure looks like it. He's holding one of the handles in his right hand.

You still toting your switch blade to church to protect the congregation....

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Up in Nepal in the 1980's I got familiar with Buddhist chants, used to empty the mind and make life more bearable.

It would appear that your exercise to empty your mind was a rousing success Argo44. Congratulations!


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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