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battle #592673 02/19/21 07:40 PM
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Circa 1915 the engraving patterns were changed on several of the Ithaca Flues models. The one of interest here is combining the Quality 1 and 1 1/2 into one gun--the Quality 1 that the OP shows. There were manufacturing changes also. The one that comes to mind is the barrel lug.
Cody does have the NID records and will do letters. I still have the Mag. 10 records that I will be sending soon. I do not do letters.

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During the summer of 1915, Ithaca went to the bold floral engraving on their No. 1 1/2 Flues Model.

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By 1920, with the discontinuance of composite iron and steel barrels, Ithaca Gun Co. combined their No. 1 and No. 1 1/2 as the new No. 1 --

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According the the serial number chronology in the second edition of Walter's book, your gun would be of 1923 vintage. Closest I have is the 1924 Ithaca Gun Co. catalog --

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During the years the Ithaca Flues Model was produced in 28-gauge, 28-gauge shells were offered by our North American ammunition companies in two lengths. The "standard" shell was 2 1/2 inch and carried a load of 1 3/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 14 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing 5/8 ounce of shot.

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A slightly hotter load of 2 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 16 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing the same 5/8 ounce of shot was put up in a 2 7/8 inch shell.

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The progressive burning smokeless powder, high velocity, 28-gauge load with 3/4 ounce of shot wasn't introduced until 1932, well into the NID era, put up in the 2 7/8 inch hull.

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Just before WW-II our ammunition companies began offering 28-gauge Skeet Loads in a 2 3/4 inch case.

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The hunting loads remained in the 2 7/8 inch case for a few years after the war, just into the pie crimp era --

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Then the ammo companies began putting all their 28-gauge loads in the 2 3/4 inch case --


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How rare is a Flues Grade 1 or 1 1/2 28 gauge? Does anyone have any idea how many were made?

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I did not count them when I had the records but my 'wag' is 1000ish. They were introduced in 1912 so they had 13/14 years of production. JMHO.

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Thank you, Walt.

So finding a Flues Grade 1 or 1 1/2 in very good condition like the one pictured above with so few made is quite an accomplishment....

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Finding 100 year old any things in high condition is an accomplishment.

I think Flues model Ithaca’s in all of their flavors are reasonably common.
I see five or so 28’s per year available, without looking for them specifically.

So, that would more or less satisfy my interest.

Guns like that beautiful Triumph self opener that was shown here (Thank-You to whomever), guns like that I consider rare.

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I got mine for half that and the butt isn’t cut like that one on GI.

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The gun on GI is an ejector gun for what that is worth.

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