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#592383 02/16/21 05:12 PM
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In my 1875-1887 Thomas W. Perkes 12 bore, there are clearly identified letters "J.L." on the underside of each barrel. I assume these are the barrel maker initials. Does anyone have a reference to who this might be? The gun is new to me and I am just digging for history.


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Jamie, most likely those initials belong to the workman who assembled the barrels, brazed the breech section and lumps, and added the ribs. Not the barrel forger.


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That makes a lot of sense, thanks. I guess the same question still stands...the search still is on.


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I don't have the list @ my fingertips but search Google Books for >>The Post Office - Kelly's Directory of Birmingham 1878<< and then search >>Rose Brothers<< or Lloyd & Lloyd tube makers. As a catch all, just search >>gunmaker<<. Lots of reading.


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Originally Posted by Jamie243AI
In my 1875-1887 Thomas W. Perkes 12 bore, there are clearly identified letters "J.L." on the underside of each barrel. I assume these are the barrel maker initials. Does anyone have a reference to who this might be? The gun is new to me and I am just digging for history.

Sir;

This may be some help to you. Back on 20 August 2008 I had a conversation with Jack Rowe, the late UK gunsmith and I took notes of what he said. He said this about the Lilly family of barrel filers "...Frank Lilly, Harry Lilly and Jack Lilly were 3 generations of barrel filers at Westley Richards..."

These three were barrel filers known to Jack during his life. I suspect that the " JL" on your barrels were the initials of an ancestor of these 3 barrel filers known to Jack Rowe.

During this conversation with Jack Rowe, he further said that " Walter Price was the greatest barrel filler who ever lived, ad he died ages ago in the 1940's or 1950's. Walter Price's son was Stan Price and he was also a barrel filer."

Kindest Regards;

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Thank you for the insights. This is great information.


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Originally Posted by bushveld
Originally Posted by Jamie243AI
In my 1875-1887 Thomas W. Perkes 12 bore, there are clearly identified letters "J.L." on the underside of each barrel. I assume these are the barrel maker initials. Does anyone have a reference to who this might be? The gun is new to me and I am just digging for history.

Sir;

This may be some help to you. Back on 20 August 2008 I had a conversation with Jack Rowe, the late UK gunsmith and I took notes of what he said. He said this about the Lilly family of barrel filers "...Frank Lilly, Harry Lilly and Jack Lilly were 3 generations of barrel filers at Westley Richards..."

These three were barrel filers known to Jack during his life. I suspect that the " JL" on your barrels were the initials of an ancestor of these 3 barrel filers known to Jack Rowe.

During this conversation with Jack Rowe, he further said that " Walter Price was the greatest barrel filler who ever lived, ad he died ages ago in the 1940's or 1950's. Walter Price's son was Stan Price and he was also a barrel filer."

Kindest Regards;
The name is Pierce not Price Stan's son Mark also trained as a barrel filer runs a gun shop in Leominster [ ponounced LEM -STER ] Herefordshire Still does some barrel work but how much now I dont know .

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Gunman;

Thank you very much for the correct information of the Pierce family. I will change my notes.

Nigel Brown's Vol 2 (page 274) lists a John Lilly as a barrel maker at the back of 126 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham 1953-1959. Do you know how is this John Lilly related to Frank, Harry and Jack Lilly who worked at Westley Richards, or is he the Jack Lilly who worked at WR, maybe?

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