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thanks Joe. It's and Alex Henry replica for on my long range percussion rifle.


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Steam power forging isn't going to get a hammer like the one in the op more like the cashmore then file chisel and engrave to get the William and Powell hammer

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This is a repeat from the pinfire game gun thread (have a look, if you haven't seen it), but it is a good look at a bevy of hammers from the late 1850s to the late 1860s... Remarkable what can be done with metal files and talent.

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1. Barnett
2. Birkett & Allan
3. The Breech Loading Armoury Company (Limited)
4. John Blanch
5. John Blissett
6. Boss & Co.
7. Joseph Braddell & Son
8. Dougall
9. Cogswell & Harrison
10. James Bott
11. James Erskine
12. Boss & Co.
13. Benjamin Woodward & Sons
14. Masu Brothers
15. Henry Adkin
16. John Blissett
17. George Fuller
18. Frederick Gates
19. W. W. Greener
20. Hambling
21. Harris Holland
22. Harris Holland
23. John William Hunt
24. Jeffrey
25. Joseph Lang
26. Masu Brothers
27. William Moore
28. Charles Frederick Niebour
29. Parker, Field & Sons
30. Edward Paton
31. William Powell
32. Fedele Primavesi
33. Schofield, Goodman & Sons
34. W & C Scott & Son
35. Hugh Snowie
36. Thomas Julian Watkins
37. Robert Watmough
38. Philip Webley & Son
39. Westley Richards
40. Westley Richards
41. James Woodward
42. Unknown
43. Unknown
44. Unknown
45. Châlet, Père et Fils
46. Jean-Baptiste Rongé et Fils
47. August Gottlieb Schüler, Maximilien Nicolas Colleye action
48. Boss & Co.

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I didn't mean to suggest that forging could eliminate all hand-work. Rather
it would eliminate the need to cut and file from a block of metal. It would
also ensure uniform size and basic shape.

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I'll re-post these Reilly pin-fire hammers from the Reilly line:
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=436538&page=43
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1. 10655 - 1858
2. NSN - 1862
3. 12920 - 1862
4. NSN - 1864?
5. 14469 - 1867
6. 15129 - 1868
7. 15288 - 1868
8. 16810 - 1871
9. 15287 - 1868 - original center fre
10. 16761 - 1871 - original center fire

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Were not a pair of hammers made by filing up a single block of metal to have left and right sides which was then divided into two halves. Obviously not so in the case of the cheaper grade castings .

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I don't want to rain on your parade nor denigrate those lovely hammers but they were almost certainly forged or cast and then finished by hand, as Steve says above. The engraving is lovely but at that time the number of engravers to the trade who could have duplicated that pattern, to that level of finish, was huge. It was just a matter of how much the customer was prepared to shell out for his new toy. In our era of automated mass production techniques, we forget that nearly everything was built and finished by hand and any level of finish could be bought for a few shillings (shilling=12 old pennies=5 new pennies=$0.07).
If you examine most nice Joseph Lang guns of the period, you will see engraving that will blow your mind on a gun that is really not that special under the skin.
Likewise, the late C19th William Evans guns, built by Webley on the screw grip patent often have the most amazing engraving.
It is a common practise then to finish a fairly commonplace gun very highly so it would command a premium price for a medium quality gun. I'm sure you could find parallels today.
In a way, it is why some very high quality guns are rather understated in their adornment.

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My understanding is that in the 1860s at least these parts were either forged or cast, then shaped and finished by hand, then engraved. As Mr Barclay states above, engravers were plentiful, and hand work was relatively cheap. Even the most basic ‘trade’ engraving at the time was nice by modern standards, and better engraving could enhance the appeal of an otherwise standard offering. I simply marvel at the range of hammer styles. While hammerless guns are a technological improvement, I prefer the look and tactile pleasure of exposed hammers.

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The Donald Dallas book "Boss & Co.: Best Gunmakers" provides a most interesting perspective
on the cost of engraving in 1897. The cost of having John James Sumner fully engrave a Boss
'best' sidelock gun that retailed for £60 was £2.

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Here’s a Pape 10 bore from around 1873:

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