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My 28 ga Wiggan & Elliott have this bore diameter and I am surprised cause is the 24 bore. What do you think about?

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The stamp is a >>26<< overstamped w/ a >>28<<.


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I believe it is a "20" where the zero has been over-stamped with an "8". Has this gun been sleeved? It may have been sleeved down to 28ga or even chamber-sleeved down to 28ga from 20ga. ---Matt


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Thanks for your replies.

It's something extrange in these marks. It looked like there was a zero under the eight, but the chamber doesn't been sleeved down to 28 ga from 20 ga. See the picture below.

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28 bore diameter: .550
24 bore diameter: .579

So, what do you think? May be, a bad day of the person who recorded the marks?


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It is not overly uncommon for a gun to have a chamber smaller than common for the bore( ie "overbore condition") , this may be an extreme example.
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Back-Bored technology, but from the 19th century, isn't it?
What a curious thing and thank you for your words.


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Dear Campero,

Are there any earlier Black Powder proof marks stamped on the barrel? Does that show a 24?

My guess is that it could have been made as a 24 bore, and when those cartridges became unobtainable then the chamber was sleeved to accept 28 bore cartridges.

I know that some gunsmiths chamber sleeved 16 bores to 20 bore to make them more saleable.

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Dear Parabola,

Thanks for your reply.

There are these marks in the barrel. The number is very confused. 26?

[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]

I don't think it was converted to 28 bore because the barrel has no joints.


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It was originally proofed as a 26 bore. ( .563).

I have not found any reference to 26 bore cartridges being made.

It might have been made as a open bored 28 bore, or a tight bored 24 bore in the way that new 12 bores were often stamped 13, or 13/1.

If it was chamber sleeved from 24 to 28 you would not see any external joins, only possibly a faint circle in or around the cartridge rim recess.

In any event it is now nitro proofed as a 28 , so I am sure you will continue to enjoy shooting it.

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Thank you, Parabola.

No reference to the 26 gauge either. Something strange.

In the photo above, showing the wax I used to measure the breech, no circle is visible. Something even weirder.

No nitro proof engraved, but I use it with current 28/65 cartridges. And yes, I enjoy it very much.

Regards!

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