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>>Helice<<, Heel Click I

>>Helice<<, Heel Click II

>>Helice<<, Heel Click III & terminal


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Fail. No witnesses.

But what the heck...Roll Tide.

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Larry, actually VC trademarked three names for his top key:

HELICOBLOC
HELISTOP
HELICE-GRIPP

Pretty's sure VC occasionally used "Helice-Grip" as well.

Gene, my 1922 V-C catalog (the one with the great ad featuring French WWI ace of aces Rene Fonck) doesn't list "Helistop" as one of their trademarks. "Helice Grip" is repeated many times throughout the catalog, never with the extra p. "VerCar" and "Colonial" were also listed as tradmarks.

The first V-C I ever owned was Helice 33 No. 3. That's a fancier version of the Helice 33 introduced by V-C in 1933. They were apparently the first V-C guns to use coil springs vs flat springs.

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So, >>Helice<< was a bona fide Modell?



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No, "Helice" is "helical" and was never trademarked. See this line and comments by noted French gunsmith "Neltir" on the subject. Larry noted that Verney Caron specifically said that any gun with "Helice" on it did not use the VC patent until that patent expired (when that was exactly is not clear). After the patent expired, people just used it and stuck the word "Helice" on it such that it entered into the gun vocabulary.
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Two Verney Carron guns from today's Naturabuy.Fr. with Helicobloc, Helice Grip and Helice Gripp.
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https://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusil-Verney-Carron-HELICE-HELICOBLOC-item-6725412.html
https://www.naturabuy.fr/VERNEY-CARON-A-PLATINES-CAL-12-item-873292.html
https://www.naturabuy.fr/VERNEY-CARRON-A-PLATINES-CAL-12-item-6432295.html

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Originally Posted by L. Brown
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The first V-C I ever owned was Helice 33 No. 3. That's a fancier version of the Helice 33 introduced by V-C in 1933. They were apparently the first V-C guns to use coil springs vs flat springs.

So, what might a >>Helice 33<< be? Is that the Modell of a V-C offering?

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Well, Larry would know more. PassionlaChasse notes that Helice 33 is a system used by VC, not a model....the guns also had model names such as Pionnier, etc.

https://www.chassepassion.net/forums-chasse/topic/verney-carron-helice-33/

Bonjour,

la mention « HELICE 33 » est le nom d’un système pas du fusil. Votre arme doit une un « PIONNIER », une photo nous aiderait à vous en dire plus sur le modèle. Quand à l’année de sortie, le catalogue Verney-Carron 1939 en fait mention, mais le système est nettement plus ancien. Là encore il nous faudrait le nom du modèle. De toute façon, c’est une bonne arme, mais chambrée en 65, donc cartouches de 65mm ou 67.5mm.

https://www.verney-carron.com/pdf/catalogue-1939-FR-Verney-Carron.pdf
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Alright, then how does the >>Helice 33<< système differ from the below?

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So, could it be a >>Helice 33<< and that be a proper système term?



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Originally Posted by ellenbr
So, could it be a >>Helice 33<< and that be a proper système term?



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I don't think so. But it does appear that V-C is quite capable of confusing those doing research as to model names. Straight off the pages they sent me from their 1933 catalog (I think it's actually 1934, because it includes the Helice 33 no. 3, which they describe as: "Modele cree en 1934.") On the previous page: "Epoque nouvelle . . . Modele nouveau! Helice 33." They certainly seem to be treating it as if it's a new model. They refer to simplifying the system, yet the 33 is described as: "Veritable Helice-Grip". They stress that the bolting system is the same, but that the firing system ("systeme de percussion") has replaced the leaf springs with "ressorts inoxydables en fil d'acier dit 'corde a piano'". That seems to be the only significant mechanical change they made in the Helice 33.

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