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another interesting french gun offered on gb...it's a helice type action - with the telltale left side top lever stop....but it bears some proofs that i interpret as being belgian (barrel weight is marked on water table)...and there are makers touchmarks (?) and barrel makers name (?) that are not familiar...perhaps a bit more data for Argo44's cataloging efforts....

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http://www.shotguns.se/html/france.html

!2 gauge 65mm chambers

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Looks to have the >>Galand Nose<< or „Fermeture Liègeoise“??

Acier Mandrine (Mandrel Steel) (Mandrine means "turned on a mandrel or lathe"; un Mandrin is a Mandrel; Mandrine is an adjective modifying the feminine noun Acier)


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CHOKE RECTIFIE
J. ME?NIER

Is it J. Meunier?


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With the 1/2 pipe side frame reinforcement coupled with the >>Galand Nose<< or „Fermeture Liègeoise“, I do wonder if it was a Pigeon Gun? The muzzle looks odd to me, maybe lopped off @ some point or is it just the light?

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It looks like it it was cut back, sharp edges and spaces in the filler. To me the price is very optimistic considering the the condition missing screw in the forend and crack in the butt.

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My thoughts exactly. Even without any issues, I seriously believe it would struggle to fetch 1/2 that price?


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"French prewar" means what? I suppose this was pre-Agincourt, eh?

It might be an interesting project gun. That extra hole in the forearms is a puzzle. I agree the muzzles look freshly cut.

I can't say much about the price, but I see a lot of worse looking American doubles for that much or more.


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Can't offer much:

The usual:
-- Saint-Étienne guild gun;
-- 18.4 = 12 gauge.
-- 65 = 65 cm (2 1/2 inch chambers - "normal for France after about 1925).
-- Single proof

Poids (weight) (with "pression") 1 kg. This is the pressure it was proofed at. I don't know when this started in Saint Etienne but surely in the 1920's... You will recall Buckstix's "Cape Gun" or "Combination Gun" in the below line that we dated to 1930-31 had Pression 1100 Kilos (double proof by Manufrance).
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=587568&page=1

Barrels likely are J. Meunier - address in Saint Etienne in 1951 listed as:
Meunier, 7 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;

Standard barrels on a French Saint-Étienne gun are 27 1/2". This is 27" - if cut..it's a bit.

Perhaps the logo is his - I'll file it away and at some point might confirm it:
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The Serial number is 567 - whoever made it didn't make a lot.

There is no retailer listed around the trigger guard...so not a high quality gun I don't think.
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Acier mandrine - is just an advertisement. Really means nothing.

It has the inverted screw Verney Carron key.....now for convenience called "Helice" though that term is a false one.

I'd date if for no particular reason either late 1930's - just before WWII - of just after late 1940's. - possibly WWII trophy?

Some of the other marks are strange, Will research them over the next couple of days.

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