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A word about the man who gave him the gun. Robert Woodruff, a Coca Cola bigwig, was of the old school of philanthropy whose generosity in civic and charitable matters was done on the basis of anonymity. Ike would frequently hunt with him on his SW Georgia quail plantation, Ichuaway, which was 36,000 acres. On his death, the land was bequeathed to a foundation for research. At one time, malaria was studied on the premises. It is in an area of the finest Bob White quail habitat and hunting in the US. Gil

Thanks, Eightbore-- Thanks for the correction on the grade- thought I read in one of my Patton Library books that he had a 20 CHE--no biggy, but important detail. "Hated" PGCA members? Whom might that be, pray tell?? I respect you for the information and details that you, Dean Romig, Dave Suponski and other PGCA gents have researched, and shared with those "Parkeristas" and others.

I'm no longer a "Parker Participant", as about 5 years ago, my late good friend and favorite pheasant hunter at Fruitridge Farms, Brad Bachelor, sold my modest collection of "Old Reliables" to private parties unknown to me.

The funds went into trusts for my grandchildren. And as for Smiths- April 2019 closed the sale of my 12 gauge 3E to your pal Stan Hillis, down in Jawja.

Slowly but surely, I have been selling off a few of my "upper bracket" doubleguns, I want my grandchildren to have the advantage of the college education I didn't have--assuming the world is still full of opportunities for them. Happy New Year to you and your Lovely Linda. The very word Linda says it all, in Spanish it means Lovely.. RWTF

Ok,Ok, Ike was Supreme Commander- picked because he was a great man at getting along with the Limeys to get D-Day underway- And the "dummy Army" under Patton that tricked the Krauts (at least Hitler) into thinking that the Pas De Calais was the site of the invasion- not Normandy. But his judgement was flawed twice after D-Day: (1) approving Monty's hair brained plan: "Market Garden"- doomed to fail, almost impossible to co-ordinate airborne, ground and tanker units to a synchronized battle plan- the lack of common radio signals, plus an almost criminal lack of attention to the intel the Dutch underground was sending the Allies-and (2) Ignoring the intel that was out there in the open in Dec 1944- about the pending "Battle Of The Bulge", where, just as with Pearl Harbor, we got caught with our pants down again, this time by the Krauts--

By the by, Patton sensed both those grand Fubars way ahead of Bradley, Clark, Monty et al. Live and learn. RWTF

About 15 years ago I was in a local guys shop; he made his living building handmade flintlocks but he also did restoration work on the side. Ikes 21 was there for repairs. Apparently someone at the NRA museum dropped it and broke a chip out of the stock. Al fixed it good as before. Just holding Eisenhower�s M21 was a thrill. In addition Robert Woodruff owned a farm once up the road from me. He was chairman of Coca Cola and the family would visit this farm and shoot birds when in season. Sadly a Woodruff son took his own life at this place and it was sold to a local man. This was probably back in the �20s or �30s.

Not good, but here is a picture of RWW's CHE .410-bore and Model 42 DeLuxe at the Buffalo Bill Center of the West, Cody Firearms Museum, when I was there with the Remington Society Seminar in 2003.



FWIW it was the Buffalo Bill Historical Center back in 2003.

In addition to the DHE 20-gauge General George S. Patton, Jr. also had a pair of CHE Skeet Guns in 28-gauge and .410-bore.

I am a military historian of sorts and have posted on this site from the 75th anniversary of the drops on Normandy from the DZ where my father landed.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=547740&page=1

These three books are the best I've ever read on the personalities of the leaders of the West in Europe in WWII. Read them and understand what Ike had to put up with.
http://liberationtrilogy.com

And Le Renaud, A lot of ULTRA intelligence people claim they predicted the Bulge offensive. They did not. There is not one Brit or American G-2 who did.

It's funny, in the late 1950's - early 1960's BBC put on a series that was carried on US TV with Monty lecturing about how great he was and how bad Ike was and how his pencil thrust into Germany would have won the war in 4 months. In 1962 I suggested this argument in a history class at University...I'm ashamed of that now.

As for Ike being a "Field General," he took over in 1944 after Monty began agitating for that position. He ran the Bulge counter-offensive. And Patton "sensed" nothing before the German attach began..but he did sense the emergency and started turning 3rd Army north almost immediately

I beg to differ, Argo- Patton once said "Accurate Intel" is worth a whole Armored Div. in your back pocket--And Patton may not have sniffed out the Kraut's last ditch attempt to turn the battle for supremacy in the ETO- but his "Ace In The Hole" Colonel Koch did- first clue, besides the crappy weather in Mid Dec 1944, was the obvious lack of radio transmissions by the Krauts--and like his boss, George Patton, Col. Oscar Koch was a student of European Military history- intel from captured prisoners was also a key part of his strategy-- Ike-- he was probably trying to figure out to do with "Monty", after the FUBAR of Market Garden. Foxist/Reynaud/Der Fuchs

Fox did you know you are arguing with a self anOinted war historian.

No, I just thought, like myself, he is a serious WW2 History buff. I have 4 books on Patton, have read and re-read those many times-- a most complex man- spoke fluent French, a student of the classics, married into affluent Boston Back Bay old money, Beatrice indulged his every whim- horses, a yacht, and possibly his Parkers. One fact remains: in spite of his Sicilian "slapping soldiers" in medic tents, he lead from the front, like Rommel, and no General in the ETO had logged the hours he spent visiting his wounded men, and personally gave the Purple Hearts, instead of delegating that duty to a field grade officer- thanks for the feedback, however- RWTF

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