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Are we correct to say for the non-ejector guns, like most Fox Sterlingworths, theres nothing wrong with a snap on forearm (e.g., Hackett forearm), its plenty secure? Ejector guns, however, need a bit more security like a Deeley latch mechanism. I could be wrong but IIRC, McIntosh thought the snap on was better.
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I think you can find a 12 gauge fox A grade gun in really good shape for 1500.00 ( not AE)if you keep looking for 3 or 4 months. I have seen several in last 6 months. Watch gunbroker and Crosno guns on guns international he has some great deals on good guns often. 26 12s are really inexpensive but make sure they havent been cut. Good luck!
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FS, Id say, if youre not in a big hurry dont get in a big hurry. Youre in the fun zone right now and with your budget youre going to be able to seriously look at some nice doubles of the types being recommended here.
I cant personally comment on the Foxes and the Elsies but as for the NID and the NS (Nitro Special) they are exceptional for the money.
Ref: Eds comment on the pre WW1 Flues, definitely. Theyre out there and as I get older and less able to walk miles, I find myself reaching more and more often for my pre WW1 16 ga Flues. The balance and the weight (5lbs 6 ozs) make it a winner, but, true, it wont handle the heavy loads.
And Ed, I love my NS (primarily for function not form) and would also recommend them to any one but I see them as 3 generations or variations rather than 2.
The long frame 21-26+/-, the short frame (reduced .39) from 26-36 and the A frame from 36-47.
Fishsticker, well be waiting to hear your choice and see photos. Enjoy the hunt.
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neva noticed the long an short frame thang...
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Are we correct to say for the non-ejector guns, like most Fox Sterlingworths, theres nothing wrong with a snap on forearm (e.g., Hackett forearm), its plenty secure? Ejector guns, however, need a bit more security like a Deeley latch mechanism. buzz, Fox's snap-on forend was/is plenty secure for ejector guns. Many Sterlingworth ejectors were made with this style forend. I have two myself, and they never have given any sort of problem. They snap on entirely too securely for a twig to disengage the mechanism. SRH
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Are we correct to say for the non-ejector guns, like most Fox Sterlingworths, theres nothing wrong with a snap on forearm (e.g., Hackett forearm), its plenty secure? Ejector guns, however, need a bit more security like a Deeley latch mechanism. The very earliest Sterlingworths used the Baker J-spring latch which has been perfectly satisfactory on hundreds of thousands of guns, but for some reason the A.H. Fox Gun Co. (The Sterlingworth Co.) didn't get it right. Both the A.H. Fox Gun Co.'s J.C. Kremer & A.H. Fox latch used for a while on extractor guns until Parker Bros. started using it on their Trojan, and the AHFGCo.'s F.T. Russell latch used on ejector guns early on and both ejector and extractor guns to the end was perfectly satisfactory. In the later Savage years they did use a Deeley latch on a very few 12-gauge Fox-Sterlingworth Ejector Skeet & Upland Game Guns when ordered with a beavertail forearm. I have no idea what a Hackett forearm is?
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Hackett forend fastener patent. #964 of 1878, A mechanism using a roller to snap the forearm to the barrels granted to George Hackett. English.
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I like Parkers, always have. But the Sterly is probably the right choice here. I would look for a Sterly pin gun to satisfy both sides of my preference. For the OP, the pin guns used an exposed and recessed hinge pin that strongly resembled the Parker style. My recollection is that Parker sued Fox because of the similarity, and Fox then changed the design. Researcher will know the details. FWIW, a respected dealer in old doubles (Ivory Beads, now closed) once told me that they considered the Sterly the best choice for a vintage duck gun. Attractive, strong and OK for moderate steel loads with shot cups and somewhat open chokes. My Sterly had a lot of drop and is the only gun I have ever sent out for stock bending. A nationally known and highly respected gunsmith blew the stock apart at the top tang. Be careful.
An alternative that has not been mentioned would be a Parker Repro. Sort of American vintage, but with modern materials. Could possibly find a decent 12 for $1500.
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We should throw in two other entry level doubleguns that are worth there value in the field. Ithaca's Western Arms, Long Range Gun and Hunter Arms' Fulton boxlocks, Especially the Hunter Special which also has the rotary bolt lock-up. Nice examples of these can be readily found and are good to go with modern ammo.
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