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Every reference I've seen to Lefever Arms H grades says they have "Best grade London Twist barrels." Knowing there are no absolutes in the classic doublegun world, does anyone know if H grades ever had fluid steel barrels? Appearances can certainly be deceiving, but I just looked at a 16 ga that sure looked like fluid steel.

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The H with Carman Fluid Steel was offered about 1908

Iron Age, April 2, 1908
https://books.google.com/books?id=5U0cu_tHZy8C&pg=PA1139&lpg

Hunter-Trader-Trapper, August 1912
https://books.google.com/books?id=Uy7OAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA73&lpg

I've tried to find a Carman mill without success. Unless it's this fella
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Salisbury_Carman

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There are H grade Lefevers with fluid steel barrels. Nowhere near as many as with twist, however.
One of the regulars here has an H that was factory built with one twist and one Damascus tube.

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Originally Posted By: Drew Hause
The H with Carman Fluid Steel was offered about 1908

Iron Age, April 2, 1908
https://books.google.com/books?id=5U0cu_tHZy8C&pg=PA1139&lpg

Hunter-Trader-Trapper, August 1912
https://books.google.com/books?id=Uy7OAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA73&lpg

I've tried to find a Carman mill without success. Unless it's this fella
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Salisbury_Carman


Excellent information. Thank you!

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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
There are H grade Lefevers with fluid steel barrels. Nowhere near as many as with twist, however.
One of the regulars here has an H that was factory built with one twist and one Damascus tube.

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Thank you, Ted. I would love to see that damascus hybrid.

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After Ithaca Gun Co., purchased Lefever Arms Co., side-plated Lefevers were assembled with a mix of remaining parts. I have a DS marked frame with cock indicator pins in the side-plates and Twist barrels.

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I have a straight grip H with 32" barrels. Original? Can't say 100% but the gun sure looks original.

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My H has a beavertail forend.

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Originally Posted By: John E
After Ithaca Gun Co., purchased Lefever Arms Co., side-plated Lefevers were assembled with a mix of remaining parts. I have a DS marked frame with cock indicator pins in the side-plates and Twist barrels.


I have a couple of these twist barreled DS grade guns with cocking indicators and dolls head rib extension, and have seen several others with this scarce configuration. None of them exhibit any indication that they were assembled by Ithaca.

Ted and Drew were correct about H grades being built with both twist and fluid steel barrels. I own a couple fluid steel H grade guns. I'd kinda lean toward Belgium as the source of Carman fluid steel tubes though. But that is only an opinion based upon where many Lefever twist and Damascus barrels were sourced.

The Robert Elliot books and most sources say that the H Grade was only produced in 12, 16, and 20 gauge. But several years ago, I bought a 12 gauge H on Gunbroker that turned out to be a 10 gauge with 2 7/8" chambers. It is the only example of a 10 gauge H grade that I have encountered.


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Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: John E
After Ithaca Gun Co., purchased Lefever Arms Co., side-plated Lefevers were assembled with a mix of remaining parts. I have a DS marked frame with cock indicator pins in the side-plates and Twist barrels.


I have a couple of these twist barreled DS grade guns with cocking indicators and dolls head rib extension, and have seen several others with this scarce configuration. None of them exhibit any indication that they were assembled by Ithaca.


There are several indicators to help identify Ithaca assembled Lefevers. My gun has several but I have been told the "P" stamp on the forend hanger is always Ithaca. Maybe I have been mislead?

John

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