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Greetings to all.

Sorry if this is not the right place to introduce myself. Im writing from Spain and, first of all, I apologize for my bad English. I am a shotgun enthusiast and above all I like old weapons, those made by hands and by craftsmen.

I hope to learn a lot in this forum and I send you greetings.

I take this opportunity to introduce myself by showing my dear colleagues: 20 ga Bernhard Merkel Suhl (Bemesu), 20 ga W&C Scott&Sons and a 28 gauge Wiggan&Elliott single barrel. The Bemesu 'born' on October 1929; the Scott 'born' on 1898 and is for sale. The butt you see is not the original, which I have it too, but this one was made to me. The Wiggan&Elliott single barrel 'born' before 1888. The information was given to me by the owners of The Double Gun.

I also have a Browning B525 28 ga, a 6.5x55 Mannlicher 1903 and a Krico .222 Rem Mag.

I currently hunt with 28 gauge and shoot compak (sporting clays) with 28 and 20 ga.

My doubts are...

1- I think it is a Bemesu, but theres no trademark engraving.
2- Do you know which is the Scott pattent?
3- Love my Wiggan&Elliot. Can you tell me more about this trademark?

Best regards!




















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28 ga, hammerguns and all shotguns and rifles made by hands.
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Welcome sir, on your first post here. Experts from around the world are here to help, and I am sure you will find an authoritative answer to your questions...Geo

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Thanks, Geo! Waiting for the answers.

Regards!


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I can't help with the Scott patent or the German gun, but I sure like that single shot in the last three pictures...Geo

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Welcome to the board!

I'm also a fan or single-shot guns.

From the IGC database, John Wiggin began as a gun maker in 1828 at 26 Whittall Street, Birmingham. By 1836 he had changed the spelling of his name to Wiggan, and in 1859 his nephew Henry Elliot joined the firm, which was renamed Wiggan & Elliot, moving to 25 Whittall Street. The firm seems to have closed in 1888.

Volume 3 of Nigel Brown's book British Gunsmiths has some serial number/year information, though it is very general.

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Thanks, Steve!

Interesting info, sir. Have some information about W&E throught Gregg Elliot of Dogs and Doubles, the owner of Vintage Guns and The Double Gun (all very kind with me). I have this article and the following information.

Wiggan&Elliott


Wiggan and Elliott were John Wiggan (1797-1875) uncle of Henry Elliott (b. abt 1821). John was gunmaker and tavern owner, and was a maker by 1835 in Whittall Street Birmingham. Wiggan was very successful and by 1845 was heavily into horseracing moving to his own large farm estate at Sutton Park, Sutton Coldfield and organised races. Wiggan and Elliot formed a company together abt. 1859. which ran until John's death in 1875. Henry continued the business as Elliott and Sheldon but it appears to close around 1880.

As you like sigle barrel shotguns, Ill try to upload a video.

Regards!

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Una pregunta, con su permiso, amigo nuevo de Mexico. Que es usted tiene dos escopetas hechan in Alemania?? Y tambien, algunas armas hechan en Europa, pero non de Espania?? A mi, los armas viviende en favorcon el Escritador muy famosa: Don Ernesto Hemingway--un hombre muerto, si-. pero un Rey Del Mundo hombre, no es verdad?? El Zorro

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The Patent 14526 of 1884 was awarded to John Deeley (of Westly Richards) for an ejector mechanism. The second number in your picture is the "Use Number" of that patent.This echanism weas known as the "Deeley Box"

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Welcome campero. Your English is actually better than a number of guys here, who were born and raised in this country.

And you have also managed to post photos here in your very first post. We have a number of guys who complain that it is too difficult and too tedious to post images. I wish I had some info to offer on your guns. But I'm sure you will learn something about them here.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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The patent number on the Scott refers to is for a Deeley Ejector for drop down actions. I can't make out the serial number and a picture of the side of the action would be most useful. It looks like a 'Reliance' model. I've only ever seen them in 12 bore so a 20 would be quite rare. Looks like it is only Proof tested for black powder.

I like the single! Lagopus..

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