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goosedowner #581171 10/02/20 12:19 PM
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dont buy new...less you wanna loose money instantly, due to depreciation...

an dont buy a 12...resale market is mostly flat...due to over supply and dwindling demand...

small bore double guns made by parker, fox, browning and ithaca are your best buy...pricey, but destined to appreciate in value due to limited supply and increasing demand...stay away from smiths...they are flat now...

buy the best you can afford...an if you find something that appears to be to good to be true and is a steal...be very careful...cause it may not be true and the seller may be trying to steal from you...and if the seller will not guarantee what he is selling...run...

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Originally Posted By: Der Ami
I finally found something I agree with nca225 about, get a 16, but make it German, American, British, or Belgian.
Mike


+1! But I would not disregard all Spanish guns, just older ones and ones from low quality manufactures. An AYA 453 in a 16 would fit the bill quite nicely.

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goosedowner #581195 10/02/20 03:06 PM
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european made guns are a tough sell due to lack of knowledge by american consumers...and spanish made guns are the kiss of death...


birds are gone...dogs are gone...awl we got left are the gons...
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Among my other shotguns I have Beretta 687's in 12 and 20 gauges and AyA No 2's in 12 and 20 gauges. My AyA's have fixed I/C & MOD chokes and the Beretta's might as well have fixed I/C & MOD because they only come out for cleaning to be sure they don't get stuck in the gun.

Last week I took the Beretta's to South Dakota on a 3-day pheasant hunt but only used the 20 gauge and never felt undergunned. If invited back next year I'll take my AyA and Beretta 20 gauges and probably shoot the AyA because I prefer SxS's and keep the Beretta as a backup.

My wife has a 20 gauge Grulla side-lock ejector and a 16 gauge Ugartechea boxlock ejector. She much prefers the 20 gauge and shoots the 16 infrequently.

I like 16's, especially my 1866 Joseph Lang, but keep in mind that cartridges can sometimes be difficult to find so you must plan ahead with a large inventory or reload.

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Good hunting for the perfect sxs. I reach for my AYA #1 28 gauge for grouse 8 out of 10 times. If I was only buying 2 sxs, I would recommend a 28 and a 16. The other two times Before someone asks is AYA XXVbl, in 12.

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12s and 20s draw me because I lost the inclination to reload and like to shoot my sxs guns at clays too. Target ammo is just so much cheaper in 12 and 20 than 16 most of the time. But I do have a 16 Fox ejector that is about 6 1/2 lbs.

Someone mentioned a Rizzini BR550. I just bought one, but have only shot one round of clays with it. I like the gun fit and finish.

If you're going to buy a Spanish gun, read up a bit. There are some bumps in the road. You might also pick up a copy of the book Spanish Best by Terry Wieland. One of our gunsmith members, SKB (Steve Bertram), had some negative experiences working on some Spanish guns and may be able to provide you some insight.

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When I hunt birds, I shoot a 1 Oz load in a 12, 16 or a 20. I don’t see much if any difference in effectiveness on game.


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Originally Posted By: buzz
When I hunt birds, I shoot a 1 Oz load in a 12, 16 or a 20. I don’t see much if any difference in effectiveness on game.


Took me quite a while to get here, but this is exactly where I am now. It's the load and the handling characteristics of the gun I look at now, not what gauge is it.


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I'm like buzz 1 oz of shot out of any of them is ust about the same. I have a couple 12's in the 5 lb 15 oz weight that I use hunting. When target shooting skeet/SC MY shoulder like a little heavier.


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Strictly one ounce of #7 out of my 12’s and 16’s for just about all hunting. I think the 12 has a very slight edge over the 16 with a shorter shot string. But it’s mostly in my head, I guess, not at the receiving end. For all clay sports I shoot 7/8 oz of #8 and that includes SC. But I am NOT a competitive shooter.


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