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Recreation, September, 1898
https://books.google.com/books?id=d4oXAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA216&lpg
STRENGTH OF BLUE BARRELS.
A writer in RECREATION claimed that blued barrels, such as used on some of the cheaper American guns, are as strong as the imported twist barrels. My observations teach me this is a mistake. Anyone who is familiar with gun making knows the cheap blue barrels are all made from a good grade of rolled iron, which is bored at the factories where used. The grain of the metal must necessarily run lengthwise, and consequently will not stand the bursting strain which the same metal would stand if the grain ran in a spiral course. Besides, the twist barrels are made of the best Norway iron and steel, welded together in spiral form.
Again, the writer referred to says twist barrels are no longer made. This is a mistake. All barrel makers make them, although the old stub-and-twist, which were made of old horseshoe nails, are no longer made. I have it from so good an authority as Mr. Josette, of Pagnoul & Josette, the barrel makers of Liege, Belgium, that the twist or Damascus barrel will stand a much greater strain than the decarbonized steel (iron) barrel.
Anyone who frequents the Northwestern duck fields will see that many more cheap blue barrels than twist are burst with the heavy loads used for ducks.
I pin my faith to an Ithaca twist duck gun, and feel safe with 4 drams of Dupont's smokeless.
Northwest, St. Paul, Minn.

Maybe not

Bessemer, Decarbonized or “Plain” Gun Barrel Steel reported tensile strength was about 63,000 psi.
Marlin Model 1898 Slide Action Shotgun “Special Rolled Steel” was reported to be 66,000 psi

I tested 2 decarbonized specimens: 66,000 psi and 71,500 psi

My Twist samples averaged 53,300 psi; Crolle 54,700 psi

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Too bad the author has an Ithaca twist gum. You know those start to fall apart when they get older. The Ithaca Co made that very clear in a lot of their later ads and "news" releases.

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Too bad the author has an Ithaca twist gum. You know those start to fall apart when they get older. The Ithaca Co made that very clear in a lot of their later ads and "news" releases.

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Yep. That's what Lou and Jack said. And with just a single proof load!

Jack O'Connor, Outdoor Life, 1942
A good many people resent being told that their much loved old guns were no longer safe. Just for the fun of it, Lou Smith (President of Ithaca Gun Co.) proofed [sic] (using 17,500 psi Proof Loads in 1942) a dozen or so damascus and twist beauties which were lying around the plant. Here's the dope: Most of the old timers busted loose with the first proof shell. The rest did with the second. Guns tried were cheap, medium priced and expensive: but all of them went. So if anyone wants to go ahead using modern smokeless stuff in a gun built for black powder, he can; but he can include me out.
Reviewing the findings Lou writes: "These birds who persist in using smokeless powder in twist and damascus barrels remind me of the guy who made a living by sticking his head in the lion's mouth at the circus. He got away with it for a long time; then one day he didn't!"

1897 "Bored For Black And Nitro Powders"



Wow! What were they thinkin'?!? smile
The earliest I've seen is a 1909. Anyone with an earlier gun so marked?



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The guy who wrote that letter has got to be related to “Beans”. Or....Beans is a time traveler and was spouting garbage back in 1898, either way...the Beans DNA is all over that letter.

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But, but, no mention of Brown's patent? L.C. Smith? Whaaat?


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