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325,425 & 525 and Citoris are all made by Miroku in Japan as far as anyone over here knows !! B125`s were made in Japan but finished in Belgium but were too costly to make. I stick to Mirokus !!!! or B25 models.
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Miroku built guns for the Euro market, and they were clearly marked Miroku... Oddly enough, nowhere on this gun is any reference to Citori, Miroku or Japan. This shouldn't count as "clearly", right? I would think a manufacturer should have to say it somewhere on the gun in human writing, words like Citori, Miroku or Japan for it to be considered clearly, right? This gun is not clearly marked as to where it was produced if Browning wants the world to know it was made in Japan. .
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They should have to say it somewhere on the gun in human writing, words like Citori, Miroku or Japan for it to be considered clearly, right? My Euro Miroku Mk70 is clearly marked Miroku. That is a sample of one. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that your 525 was built by Miroku in Japan, but proofed in Belgium for sale in a specific market with their proof requirements.
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The Miroku marks "clearly" indicate the gun was made by Miroku. Japan is not a member of Commission internationale permanente pour l'épreuve des armes à feu portatives In order to sell the gun in Great Britain or Europe, proof by one of the CIP member proof houses is required.
So it's a (Citori) 525 made for a specific European market/seller, which was not later imported by an agent into the U.S. (or it would be so stamped), and likely was hand carried into the U.S. by a visitor to Europe, member of the military, or a U.S. government employee
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There are two rows of letters both above and below the stamping on the underside of the monoblock.
Can anybody read that?
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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Since Bob rotated the pix, I think I see 'DSA NY'.
Could that be the importer?
I still can't begin to read the bottom line of text.
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Good eye. Best I can do trying to enhance the image.
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Bet it is BSA NY. British Sporting Arms- Charles Schneible in Millbrook, NY.
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And in Doc's blowup, it looks the Belgian proofs are stamped partially over some earlier stampings.
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