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Nudge I have no interest in promoting an auction. I bought my first double rifle in 1971, a W W Greener 8 BORE double rifle that I paid $750.00. My brother and I have owned over 140 English double rifles and some single shots over the years. I have NONE left. I still watch the auction houses and Gunsinternational to see what the prices are. We used to buy and sell at The Ohio Gun Collectors, through Shotgun News, Gunsamerica, now Gunsinternational and also some auctions. Most of the people I dealt with have either passed away or sold their collections. With age and health problems and grand children I would rather have the money in the bank!

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Originally Posted By: GaryD007
.577 Holland and Holland underlever hammer double rifle in a new made oak and leather case with new Ivory handled accessories sold for $16,000.00 in the April 2016 Julia Auction. Just sold for $7,000.00!
I sold a .577 3" BPE Holland back action sidelock top lever hammerless double rifle in a period case with accessories made for the Nizam of Hyderabad (gold inlayed on the rib)in the same auction for $28,500.00. It just sold for $13,000.00!!! Prices have really dropped.


Gary;

At the Holt's auction last week a Luciano Bosis .470 NE boxlock double rifle (Lot 1257 practically new) did not even sell at the estimated range of UKPounds 8,500 to 12,500. An A.W. Wolf made Richter engraved 9.3x74R (made in 1991) only brought UKPounds 3,200.

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I agree with Bob. The buyer’s premium at Rock Island is 18%, with a 3% discount for cash. Tack on an additional 8.5% for sales tax if you’re an IL resident. I tried to buy a couple guns in the Rock Island auction. But my SOP is to figure the top dollar I’d pay, then back out the buyer premium and tax, if applicable.

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They charge tax on most sales. read the fine print. There is a list of states. I got caught when it first happened.

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15% is bargain compared to the British auctions, 20-27.5% is the hammer overseas.


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I believe RIAC is 15% on both sides. that is 30% of the total.


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I'm not sure what the British houses charge the seller but buyer fees are far higher.


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Originally Posted By: GaryD007
.577 Holland and Holland underlever hammer double rifle in a new made oak and leather case with new Ivory handled accessories sold for $16,000.00 in the April 2016 Julia Auction. Just sold for $7,000.00!...


Ouch. Quite a drop. Lots of thoughts already shared on possible reasons why. I'd add a few --

1) Rock Islands' auction listings are never as well supported by the necessary clear pictures needed to reach top dollar as someone like Julia/Morphy. This is particularly irritating with doubles, where they never seem to picture the top of the action or the watertable and barrel flats

2) In uncertain times when the market is this volatile, many are holding off on larger purchases, particularly antiques

Re the idea that interest in older firearms isn't passing to the younger generations, I generally agree, but it's not black and white. I've been collecting for 30 years and it has seemed that various sub-categories of firearms run up in price as they get hot and then contract. But over the long haul, rarity and quality gain value.

At the end of the day, this is for fun, not money.

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You are right about the uncertain times! A friend of mine owned the .577 3" BPE Holland and I had seen it a few times. He had probably one of the largest big bore English double rifle collections in the world. Last time I was at his house he had 14 eight bore double rifles and 4 four bore double rifles, along with many other English double rifles from .360 BPE to .600 Jeffery nitro. I think he saw the writing on the wall about prices falling and sold off his entire collection!

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