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It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

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Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
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Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

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Evey legitimate lubrication engineer and automotive owners manual advises against the use of 'additives' in finished lubrication products.

This has not stopped Forrest Lucas from becoming a billionaire.

I'm still searching for the problem I would need most of these tested products to solve.

My Rem Oil habit is only about 2 cans a year. I'm OK with that.


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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
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Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

Best,
Ted


While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


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Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
Dr. WtS


Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

Best,
Ted


While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


A synthetic lubricant. Vaseline becomes a liquid at a fairly low temperature, and, as I noted has no EP qualities. Oil or grease might not make much difference, as long as you use one or the other, and the synthetics are stable over an unbelievable temperature spread.

In another segment of my existence, I ride English bicycles, that are equipped with a 3 speed English hub developed late in the century before last. 3 in one oil, in the red and white can has been around almost since then, and users of the Sturmey Archer hubs for the past 100 plus years have been discovering all along it is an inadequate lubricant for those hubs. When Sturmey Archer was an English company, they noted this in the lubrication instructions. Three in one, in the red can, is a blend of petroleum oil and citronella, which breaks down in short order.
I am told three in one oil, in the blue and white can, is an actual 10 weight oil, and will work well in the hubs. But, I blend my own oil for my hubs, a 50/50 mix of synthetic 5W20 motor oil, and ATF. Most of my hubs are the 5 speed version, and utilize hybrid lube of synthetic grease on bearings and oil on the internals.
What do 3 speed hubs and guns have in common? Just this. A requirement for top quality lubrication, replenished as needed, and cleaned out, and relubed, regularly, as needed.

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3-in-1 and motor-oil on saturated rag, common inexpensive protectants, have kept my guns free of rust for nearly 80 years gunning mostly from salt-water coastal blinds. Only other requirement is to clean them at end of the hunt before you kiss your wife or have a drink.

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[/quote]While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why? [/quote]

Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me.

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Originally Posted By: FlyChamps
[/quote]While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me. [/quote]

I looked and couldn’t find anywhere on the Purdey website where they believed you (or, I) should have anything to do with servicing their guns. Much less, what lube you should use.

Just sayin.

https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/servicing

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I used liquid Frog Lube on a Colt 1911 and it worked okay when I shot it regularly. However, the pistol would not run when I tried shooting it after a couple months of storage. The Frog Lube had turned waxy and slowed the slide travel. The Frog Lube fanboys will say that I used too much, or not enough, or it wasn't applied on a warm gun - none of which were true. I no longer use it on firearms and what I have left goes on knife blades in storage. It turns waxy on them, too, but I clean the lube off before use. IMHO, there are way better products out there.

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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: FlyChamps
While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me. [/quote]

I looked and couldn’t find anywhere on the Purdey website where they believed you (or, I) should have anything to do with servicing their guns. Much less, what lube you should use.

Just sayin.

https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/servicing

Best,
Ted [/quote]
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I found it. At https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/gun-care-video-series

It is stated in the video on action cleaning by a Purdey employee. Same vid is also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_f6Y-5yHJY

It is also stated in Tom Purdey’s book the shotgun, p 122 & 129

Lastly in my reprint of the 1929 Purdey Instruction manual p20

I am not disagreeing with the idea Vaseline is a poor choice due to its low melting point. Something many before like you have noted like both Vicknair & Greenwood.

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