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Stan, as a liberal Democrat, I hold no hostility to your beliefs. In our country, you are welcome to them and protected in your right to promote them. I happen not to share many of them, and that is my right too. I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and state. If you have a quarrel with that doctrine, then you ought to say so. If the democratic platform doesn't suit you, you're a Republican. But if the outcome of an election doesn't go your way, that's too bad. This is not theocracy.

if you lose the election too bad, unless you're a democrat. Then you do everything you can to overturn it, like congress and the last administration has done and been doing. Just don't expect to hear anything about that on NPR.

Bill, you realize that the outcome of your last election didn�t go the Democrats way and they have done everything imaginable to overturn the result.

That�s the thing. Everyone wins some elections and loses others. When you lose, you regroup and try to win the next one.

But that�s not what happened in the aftermath of Trump�s election and that is one of the main things that sticks in the craw of so many of his supporters. A refusal to accept it. Which gives them licence, in their minds, to try every trick conceivable to overturn the result.

The separation of church and state isn't what you think it is. A bill was passed, I believe in 1793, authorizing the printing, purchase, and distribution of Bibles. The people that created this nation were involved in that, if there was a wall, they didn't build it.

This country was created as a Christian nation, what the founding fathers didn't want, was an "official" state religion - Protestant, Methodist, Episcopal, whatever - that could be used as a weapon against competing sects, the way things worked in Europe.

Politics AND religion - LR's favs
https://sites.google.com/site/anotherdaysjourneybackhome/pray-for-america

George Washington's Letter to the Touro Synagogue of Newport, Rhode Island, 1790
�The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.�

"The Wall of Separation", Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, Jan 1, 1802
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpost.html
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" thus building a wall of eternal separation between Church & State.

http://www.christianity.com/church/churc...n-11630340.html

The inspired brilliance of the Founders was in:
1. Protecting individual exercise of religion from the state
2. Protecting the state from a theocracy
3. Protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority
They would have been astounded at the idea that our Nation was not established under Judeo/Christian principles and that religion should have no voice/influence in affairs of the state however.

Maybe THIS will get this stinkin' thread deleted!

A telling statement for a man that keeps one such a Keith as company.

As always, this will be "will be "filed" for future reference".

Tim, I don't know who may have questioned the outcome of Trump's election. I certainly did not, no matter how much I disliked it. One of the things I disliked about it was his claim in advance that if he lost, it was due to a rigged outcome. He'll do that again before he loses. CB, Please name one, one thing done to overturn Trump's election. All I can come up with is publicizing the fact that he lost the popular vote by some 3 million which fact doesn't question his win. Lots of folks today doubt the wisdom of our electoral college, but while it's in effect, only a fool could question its decision. I do think it's far past time to do away with it. You would too if it undid one of your party's wins.

I have known Joe Biden personally for almost 40 years. Joe most likely can�t remember my name but that group is very large these days.

As a funny aside I was riding with a friend in his helicopter which he was hovering about 75� off Trumps front door in His Florida oceanfront house. Security, private back then, was there when Trump came out and gave my friend the middle finger for being a asshxxx and messing up his hair. Both men were from NY and had known each other for years. Not friends but not enemies either. John was just letting Trump know he was staying at his house next door and that the girls ought not to forget their tops when sunbathing.

No you might think getting the finger from Trump, even second handed, would bug me. It does not at all. As I said my friend was being a asshxxx. So when it comes down to voting I will gladly vote for Trump. Not stumbling, bumbling, old school give me a deal for your favor Joe. Joe was too happy to accept favors 40 years ago for my taste. He is only smarter at it now.

Craig, Once more, who are the nameless, faceless? You get on a tear and nothing you say makes as much sense as a Trump news conference. Neither of you ever goes back and tries to make clear the incomprehensible things you say. You just keep saying nonsense, which in your party is perfectly acceptable.

Democrats in congress have been saying his win is illegitimate from the beginning, just like they wanted an impeachment from the beginning. You don't think that sham impeachment wasn't an attempt to overturn the election. Are you going to say rogue dirtbags in the FBI and DOJ didn't want to overturn the election? Yeah, I know, if it wasn't on NPR it didn't happen.