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What happened to your chamber inserts? Did they stick and get ruined?


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I have a very early Ithicia Crass hammerless 10 ga. 3" chambers and 8 lbs, 30" Damascus barrels. Serial # dates to 1889 +/-. Built as a pigeon gun and a real hoot to shoot. I load 1 1/8-1 1/4 oz lead 4 or 5's and shoot crows in a pecan orchard.


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AWESOME!


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Yeah. They were snug with the shells and the action was difficult to close as well. Luckily, the manufacturer is willing to extend me a refund.

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Just for interest

The American Field, January, 1879 Jamaica Plank Rd., L.I., New York
“Brooklyn Gun Club vs. Philadelphia Gun Club”
Only two Parker guns on the grounds. Mr. T.E. Broadway of the Brooklyners used a Parker 10 ga. with close choke weighing 9 1/2 lbs shooting 4 1/2 drachms of DuPont’s Diamond Grade and 1 1/4 oz. of Tatham's soft shot.
For the Philly club, Mr. H.A. Burroughs shot a Parker 12 bore with medium choke weighing but 7lb 14oz. He shot 4 drachms of Hazard’s Electric Powder and 1 1/4 oz. of chilled #7 in the left barrel and #8 in the right.

Outing: Sport, Adventure, Travel, Fiction January, 1889
Al Bandle, of Cincinnati, on Christmas Day, 1888 defeated the famous shot, Captain A. H. Bogardus, by killing 100 live birds straight to the Captain's equally remarkable record of 95.
Bogardus shot a 12-gauge L.C. Smith gun, hammerless, 7 lbs. 12 oz. weight and shot 4 drams American Wood powder in his first barrel, 1 1/4 oz. No. 8 shot in first and 1 1/4 oz. No. 7 in second, backed up with 3 1/4 drams Laflin and Rand Orange Lightning powder.
Bandle shot the same make of gun, 10 gauge, and used, first barrel, 4 drams Wood powder, second, 4 drams Laflin and Rand “F.F.F. extra” powder, No. 7 shot.

1890 American Shooting Association Rules
https://archive.org/stream/fieldcovertrapsh01boga#page/458/mode/2up
No limit on powder
In single bird (target) shooting the rise shall be:
Eighteen yards for ten-bore guns; limit 1 1/4 oz.
Sixteen yards for twelve-bore guns; limit 1 1/8 oz.
Fourteen yards for fourteen and sixteen bore guns; limit 1 oz.
Thirteen yards for twenty-bore guns; limit 7/8 oz.
In double-target shooting the rise shall be:
Sixteen yards for ten-bore guns.
Fourteen yards for twelve-bore guns.
Twelve yards for fourteen and sixteen bore guns.
Eleven yards for twenty-bore guns.
Rules for Live Bird Shooting - same load limitations
The rise shall be:
Thirty yards for ten-bore guns.
Twenty-eight yards for twelve-bore guns.
Twenty-six yards for fourteen and sixteen bore guns.
Twenty-five yards for twenty-bore guns.

In 1892 ASA limited both 10g and 12g to 1 1/4 oz.

At the 1894 GAH at Live Birds, now under the auspices of the Interstate Association, guns were limited to 12 gauge and 8 pounds.

I suspect Smokeless Powder, which was in wide use by 1894-1895, ended any advantage the 10g may have had.


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it is interesting that you mention the 1894 GAH shoot limiting only to 12 gauge. I suspect the 10 was viewed as a "ringer" gauge or having an unfair advantage. Having shot both 12's and 10's I will take the 10 on live birds any day. It just settles into the hands better and feels better when it goes off. Until one has compared the two side by side they can't pass judgment in my opinion.


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I love the short 10ga. I own 7 Parkers and 4 L.C. Smith's and one Ithaca Super Ten.
I find them fun to shoot clays and hunt waterfowl with. They were king of the hill in the duck blind back in the day and still preform very well today.
I reload for the 10 and find the red dot load with 1 1/8 oz very pleasant to shoot.
If your a waterfowl hunter and into vintage sxs guns you will never regret buying and killing ducks with the best gun ever invented for waterfowl hunting.

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Glad to see someone feels the same as me. I hunt everything with the short 10. Ducks, pheasant, sharp-tails, sage grouse huns, doves, quail, etc. I too like the 1 1/8 Red Dot load but I still prefer to shoot black powder. I shoot a 10 at my local club on skeet and sporting clays every week. Also, shooting 20 gauge inserts is a real hoot!


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I keep angling to get a Lindner Charles Daly Diamond Quality model 275 in 10 gauge that weighs only 7 1/2 pounds. The owner is a bit ambivalent about it but hasn't said yes yet.

Problem is, some dummy cut 8" inches (assuming it started as 30") off the barrels so now it's kind of a ruffed grouse/home defense gun. Lindner would be turning in his grave.


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Wow that sounds like it would be fun to walk the ditches of the farms in Canada with. Light and wide open pattern for the birds that jump up

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