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LC/Baker forend help #571212 05/03/20 04:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,084 Likes: 35 Recoil Rob OP Sidelock
OP Recoil Rob Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,084 Likes: 35	I found this old forend in my parts bin, it has the June 1, 1880 Pat. date on it for US Patent 228,165. The original guns serial number is 42634. I'm curious as to whether this could have only been on a Baker gun or was the same patent used on LC Smiths? If so can which gun it was on be told by the serial number? Also, the end is 1.60in. wide, is that for a 12ga? thanks, Rob My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn

Re: LC/Baker forend help Recoil Rob #571216 05/03/20 08:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,274 Likes: 1 California james-l Sidelock
james-l Sidelock Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,274 Likes: 1 California	It looks like the iron used on the early LC guns, the 2 round pins were bearing surface for the cocking rods. I learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what I learned the day before was wrong

Re: LC/Baker forend help Recoil Rob #571217 05/03/20 08:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,084 Likes: 35 Recoil Rob OP Sidelock
OP Recoil Rob Sidelock Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,084 Likes: 35	Thanks James, since it was a 1880 patent was it also used onBAkers? Were the pins hardened to bear the cocking rods? My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income. - Errol Flynn

Re: LC/Baker forend help Recoil Rob #571223 05/04/20 02:03 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,274 Likes: 1 California james-l Sidelock
james-l Sidelock Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,274 Likes: 1 California	no clue about the Bakers, I assume the pins were hardened, they were replaced with the floating plate in the early 1900s I learn something every day, and a lot of times it's that what I learned the day before was wrong

Re: LC/Baker forend help james-l #571225 05/04/20 08:43 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan Run With The Fox Sidelock
Run With The Fox Sidelock Joined: May 2008 Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 Michigan	How can the cocking rod pins ""bear" on the top of the rear section of the forearm iron-- they are opposite hand cranks, they work as cams inside the rear radiused face of the forearm iron, not on the top. Someone might want to get a copy of the Brophy book on schematics of the L.C. Smith designs. RWTF "The field is the touchstone of the man"..

Re: LC/Baker forend help Recoil Rob #571226 05/04/20 09:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,417 Likes: 313 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,417 Likes: 313 AZ but dreaming of KS	James is correct re: Syracuse hammerless Fulton hammerless cocking plate. We've not been much help on the LCSCA https://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1588531320.html It appears to be a hammergun FE but the SN doesn't fit https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: LC/Baker forend help Recoil Rob #571240 05/04/20 01:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,728 Likes: 50 Eastern Pa David Williamson Sidelock
David Williamson Sidelock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,728 Likes: 50 Eastern Pa	The 1880 patent date was for the "J" spring that W.H. Baker invented and patented. It was used on his line of guns and also on L.C. Smiths from Syracuse and Fulton. On the L.C. Smith site the pictures posted show that the Syracuse for-end metal was wider than the Fulton for-end metal. Runs, the Syracuse hammerless guns, the cocking plate was built in and not replaceable. Last edited by David Williamson; 05/04/20 01:41 PM. David

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