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Saskbooknut, I presume you are using fiber wads as well. Lubed or unlubed?


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I load my BP cartridges just like my ML - only difference is the case.
Id post a photo if I knew how..lol

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It would seem to me the lube on the crimp would get lost in the pellets and burning gas before a wad would do much good. I do know plastic compression wads and BP don't like each other much. I elect for a lubed wad and plastic shot cup. Been doing it that way for so long I've no idea if its easier to clean up afterwards than another method of loading BP shells. I will have to give windshield washer fluid a try.

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Tamid, I tried plastic shot cups over a fiber wad and still got plastic melting on the barrel walls. I'd like to find a shot cup that didn't give that problem but haven't found one yet.

Windshield washer fluid, glass cleaner in a spray bottle, or just plain ol' dihydrogen oxide all work equally well at cleaning barrels of bp fouling in my experience.


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Fibre wads (dry) in plastic hulls, usually Federal Top Gun, once and done.
80 grains FFg, 1 1/8 ounce #8 shot.
I don't use shot cups because they didn't improve patterns over no shot cup, in fact worse.
I have been using a dab of lube on the crimp for at least 25 years. It sure eases cleaning.
There is no lube migration on hot days if you don't use lubed wads in your load.
We use a cartridge block to hold and carry our shells crimp up.

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I dont understand how a plastic shot cup over a fiber wad would melt. It is ahead of the gas. Only if the fiber wad is not sealing properly and gas is escaping could I appreciate how the shot cup would melt

As for the pattern when using plastic wads Ive found they hold a tighter pattern


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Originally Posted By: Tamid
I dont understand how a plastic shot cup over a fiber wad would melt. It is ahead of the gas. Only if the fiber wad is not sealing properly and gas is escaping could I appreciate how the shot cup would melt

As for the pattern when using plastic wads Ive found they hold a tighter pattern


I don't understand it either, and I came to much the same conclusions that you did, but even lubed fiber wads would not solve the problem. Makes no sense to me.

In contrast, I use Low Density PolyEthylene (aka LDPE) wads, 0.06" thick, directly on top of >80 grs of 1.5 or 2 fg Swiss powder in my rifles and never had any plastic melting in my bores. Recovered wads look as new. The rifle wads and the plastic shotcups seem to be of very similar, if not identical, plastics, but I can't testify to the chemical nature of them.

In the past, I have used thick artist watercolor paper as a shot wrapper as well as the mylar wrappers sold by most reloading suppliers. The paper might slightly tighten the group (presumably less shot deformation on the barrel walls). But it is a PITA to use it and takes up valuable case space.


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