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#565930 02/24/20 07:01 AM
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I have two old 16 gauge pumps.
They will not cycle anything but the old Winchester CF hulls.
Has anyone found a newer 16 gauge hull that will work in an old 16 gauge pump? (a 1934 Remington 31 and a 1949 Ithaca 37 both with 2 3/4 " chambers)
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The issue is curable in some old guns by polishing the chambers. The brass washed steel heads give some guns fits, but it's not limited to old guns. A modern 870 12 that I own won't cycle Remington promos but will cycle Winchester cheapies. Figure that one out. My M12 16 won't cycle the Herter purples but digests all others. On an Ithaca M37 16, the cure was having Les Diamond re-cut the extractor notches on the barrel which helped the extractors line up and grip the rims better. Solid brass heads were more forgiving. The move to steel heads has been a game changer. Gil

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If those pumps are old enough that they have the 2 9/16" short chambers, then it's unlikely they'll cycle most modern 2 3/4" 16ga hulls. Ejection port issue. A friend's old Model 12 will chamber 2 3/4" 16's OK, but won't cycle them.

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Contact Les Hovencamp at Diamond Gunsmithing. He was the head smith at Ithaca at Ithaca NY. He can remedy the M37's issue with new shells. My 1949 16 37R handles the shells fine, but my later model in 16, 1958, was sent to Les for cure. Gil

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RST (Cheddite) 2 1/2" hulls
Ched 209 Primer
19.8 grains IMR SR7625 powder
BP/SPTG16 wads
< 7000 psi, 1125fps

Cycled perfectly in my '39 Model 12, 16 gauge Solid Rib Skeet (2 3/4 " chambers)


Beautiful crimps with 1 oz, 7/8 oz and even 3/4 oz
You'll need the Short Kit lift plate for a MEC


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Thank guys, I think I'll try the RST hulls, I have tried the Cheddite 2 3/4 inch hulls without much luck, they won't cycle, but maybe the 2 1/2 inch hulls will work.

Nice looking model 12.
Pete

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Remington Game Load hulls are the shortest of the 2 3/4 hulls.

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Assuming both guns have original barrels mated to the receivers there should be no problem with ejecting 2 3/4" hulls. You might need to look elsewhere for the problem.

A friend o mine once brought an early Browning 16 gauge A5 for me to look at which he was considering buying. It was giving ejecting problems when he test-fired it. This gun had the push forward through the front of the trigger guard safety, BUT, had a 2 3/4" chambered barrel on it.

I looked at it & explained to him it was an early 2 9/16" gun which had been retrofit with a later 2 3/4" barrel without the ejection port having been modified. I then told him what would have to be done to make it work.

He decided since it was no longer original he would pass on it & try to find another more to his liking, which I felt was a smart move.


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One thing that was not clear in the OP's first inquiry. What part of the cycle is faulty? Extraction after firing, ejecting after firing, or chambering loaded rounds?

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The rounds are hard to chamber and very hard to eject.
Pete

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