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Could also be a heavy waterfowl double. If it has no safety you might lean towards the ring and if it has a safety it still could be a gun for the ring or for the marsh.

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Forgot to add: double triggers and it has a safety, which is automatic.

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Its likely not a pigeon gun if it has an automatic safety, Im guessing. Maybe water fowl gun?


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Back in the day, I shot a Perazzi SC3 with 31" barrels and a Winchester Model 21 with 32" barrels. Both extremely heavy guns capable of shooting the stout pigeon loads.
I have been lucky to have a good friend who is a connoisseur of fine English Best pigeon guns and I have gotten to shoot Purdey's, Boss, Woodward, Atkin and several pigeon hammer guns. He once owned a Purdey Pigeon hammer gun that was owned by King Alfonso of Spain.
I believe there was an article about it in the DGJ once.
I am presently thinking of a project for a English hammer gun I have recently came upon but not sure it is worth the effort since things like this is a thing of the past. So I may end up just trying to sell it.


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Bill I would say you have the makings of a pigeon gun.


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As an interesting note, Remington offered:

Remington Model 3200 Live Bird Competition Over/Under Shotgun
under 300 made from 1979-1983
It had 28" barrels and an engraved pigeon on the bottom of the receiver.
Not a political correct venture for sure!

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The PETA correct version of pigeon shooting today is Helice/ZZ bird. In many ways it is a harder game. A well stocked pigeon gun is the right tool for that game although the rules have toned down the cartridge power and thus recoil generated.


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I think they were looking at the European market. They made several small runs of upgraded 3200 guns. The Live Bird was one of them. Nice guns but nothing that much better that a 1 of 1,000 level gun.

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My home club, Deep River used to offer ZZ shoots till equipment failure resulted in it stopping.
To bad there are no places on the East coast close to me to shoot Helice.
I really loved the game. Yes it is harder than pigeon shooting since a pigeon comes out of the trap slow and gains speed where a Helice target come off the trap real fast and loses speed.


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It seems to tick all the boxes. As with most rules there are exceptions. I have a live pigeon gun with automatic safety, 30 inch barrels, 2 3/4" chambers, side clips, third cross bolt fastener, full and extra full chokes , flat file cut rib, half pistol stock and ejectors. Oddly I also have a 16 bore that fits in every way with the above criteria of a pigeon gun. Probably built as a one off in that bore. Lagopus..

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