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Is fiddleback seen in all types of walnut? Yes, and many more species as well.
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RARiddel, here's a short article with illustrations of fiddleback, and several other types of figure in wood: https://gobywalnut.com/blogs/articles/lets-talk-about-figureNo one know what causes fiddleback. It may be more apparent with different cut orientations, but cut alone has nothing to do with the presence of fiddleback in a piece of wood. The effect comes from the way light reflects off of the undulating grain. It is thought to be genetic, but no specific gene has been found yet. It may be that it takes a combination of a tree having the correct gene, and some environmental factor to turn on that gene or genes. A tree that has fiddleback will have it from the trunk out to the smallest branches. In the 1920's and 1930's, attempts were made by the Northern Nut Growers Assn., and the USDA to propagate walnut trees with highly figured grain through grafting. These experiments were largely unsuccessful. French, English, Turkish, Circassian, Persian, and Carpathian walnuts are all variations of the same species, Juglans Regia. There are a number of other Juglans Regia cultivars too. Black walnut is Juglans Nigra, Claro is Juglans Hindsii, and Bastogne is a hybrid cross between English and Claro. Keith is right on the money. Here is another site, with a good illustration of quarter sawn, rift sawn, and flat (aka slab)sawn: http://www.hardwooddistributors.org/post...in-sawn-lumber/ And here are some handsome stocks, mostly from quarter sawn blanks: An AyA model 116:  Martin Ugarteburu model 125:  Ugartechea model 41:  Martin Ugarteburu Model 115: 
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Is fiddleback seen in all types of walnut? No. It depends on species and the part of the tree that the wood came from. It can be seen in most species but is more evident on species like Claro. Thin shelled (French, English, etc.) is less likely to show much fiddleback, while Claro blanks may show strong fiddleback from end to end.
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What species do NOT have any fiddle at all? I can't name one.
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In maple, this type of grain variation is called by many names including rapid grain, ripple, fiddleback, curl (curly), flame and tiger-stripe. All are the same grain pattern, to varying degrees. It is estimated that one in twenty-five maple trees exhibit this grain figure. The closer together the striping, the "tighter the curl". I have long rifles that are so curly that the striping occurs about 3/8" to 1/2" apart for the full length of the stock. It is astonishing to see.
You can sometimes determine if a standing tree is curly by slashing off a portion of the bark and looking at the grain below the cambium layer. I have spent many hours walking my woods with a hand axe checking maples for curl. My experience has led me to think that the 1 in 25 number may be too high. I've checked innumerable maples in the spring, and have yet to find one that is curly to any degree. Yet, I have about seven slow dried curly maple long rifle stocks that were cut from a tree in the 1970s, that grew locally. So, I know it can be anywhere. Fortune is where you find it.
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What species do NOT have any fiddle at all? I can't name one. He said TYPES, not species. IFAIK, all species can have fiddleback, but not generally throughout the tree. Perhaps I misunderstood the OP. Not a fan of fiddleback myself, I prefer marble cake and lots of mineral streaking.
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I've read - and I don't recall where but it was long ago - that fiddleback in the grain structure is caused by the wind blowing predominately from the same direction for the tree's entire life. May have been in Howe's book on gunsmithing but I don't think that was it. And it may not have even been true.
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When we were in high school, a buddy of mine stocked a rifle he was making in something called "Yama Wood". It had the most pronounced fiddleback I've ever seen...Geo
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Here is another example  they usually charge you extra for that nice grain pattern!
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