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We wait, with bated breath, for your pronouncement.

I would agree, a Prussian Daly best all, but it is not American made.
Best Regards
Craig

I'm going to keep findings to myself. Are you going to educate us more on the concept of "brand value"? You know like why Ozark Trail coffee mug from Walmart costs about $10 and identical one made in same Chinese factory for Yeti brand is $40 to $50.

I'm sure several of us will challenge the truth of JM's claim to have examined a 32" E Grade Krupp barrel Lefever. Me first.

Greentop Sporting Goods>Used Guns>Used Shotguns>pg 5>Lefever E Grade 12ga 32" $3999.99. It is possible the grade description on blue tag is wrong, but the barrels measure 32" and are of very substantial weight made of Krupp Steel according to what is marked on the tubes.

I have owned only Parkers, but they have good enough for me.

Hooray for eightbore, for being first.

Later Lefevers, when they dropped the false sideplates. Would like to actually handle more of them though.

Here�s what Dewey Vicknair scribed recently:

H&R - Hammerless:
Strictly from a quality standpoint, the finest shotgun made in America, at the time. This was the only gun actually built under license from (and under the direct supervision of) Westley Richards, rather than designed to get around their patent. It was an Anson & Deeley boxlock, available in 10 and 12 bore and, but for the name on the gun, could have passed for an English-made gun.
Sadly, there are too few of them to be concerned with (about 2000 were made). High quality items cost more to make then, just as they do now and apparently the American market was not willing to support the manufacture of a truly high-quality shotgun.

Parker - All hammerless:
Another gun referred to by gun writers as America's "best" and "hellishly complex". From the standpoint of quality of fit, finish, materials and workmanship, these guns are second only to the H&R.

YRMV
Best Regards,
JBP

Oh, I could believe that Jagermeister examined an E Grade Lefever. All he does when it comes to double shotguns is examine them. Another more descriptive term for his "examinations" is Tire-Kicking and Gun Counter Drooling. Well, sometimes he puts one on Layaway and then lies to us by telling us that he actually bought it. But then he backs out of the deal, and moves on to his next gun buying fantasy.

He obviously didn't actually "examine" this 32" barreled E Grade with Krupp Barrels hands-on, because if he had it in his hands, he would know for certain that it was an E Grade with 32" Krupp barrels, and not something that may have had an incorrect description on the tag. I always have a little 36" tape measure in my pocket because I never know when the chance to buy a gun may pop up, and the grade letter is stamped on the water table. It seems apparent that his "examination" involved checking it out on Greentop Sporting Goods' website. That is about as close as Bullshitmeister will get to ever owning a $4000 gun.

If correct, what does it say about American double gun manufacturing that the best gun made is under license and supervision of a British firm?