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Enjoyed recent discussions of trends in values for British guns, given the advent of millennials and their lack of interest, no-tox shot restrictions, more large collections going to market, etc.
Most here probably agree about a current "soft" market for user-grade vintage guns, and especially for those in 12 gauge. Guns of this stripe seem to sit on shelves almost indefinitely. Classifieds for some of these guns appear to go unanswered.
So what do you think the long-term trend will be for sleeved guns?
My own knee-jerk reaction would be something like: "A worse outlook than for guns with original barrels...even those with borderline wall thicknesses."
Therefore, is a sleeved Boss (with minimum wall thickness of .028 or .030) worth half of a Boss with borderline barrels (.020 or less and/or heavy pitting)?
Or a third of an original? Even less?
I'd like to hear some informed opinions on this subject.
As a kicker: Is it possible in coming years that sleeved guns may actually rise in value, as millennial shooters already using Berettas or Krieghoffs with monoblocs defy the conventional trend and rise to embrace them? (Younger shooters may want 2.75-inch chambers and better wall thicknesses for shooting modern/cheaper shells and to better handle no-tox shot.)
Where are we headed...any insights?
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I have a couple of very well done sleevers. I would not reduce the prices due to the improvement of the barrels...Geo
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I would think that a gun resleeved by the maker or a reputable gunsmith known for sleeving would be okay. I understand that sleeving done can alter the gun's balance and handling adversely however. I know that I've passed up some beauties that had their chambers lengthened for the sake of modern 2 3/4" shells.
Being confronted with a sleeved gun that I really wanted is a serious decision. A sleeving job that is visable makes my eyes hurt!
Karl
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Sleeved barrels are the only way to make many guns safe to shoot. You dont sleeve a gun until you have no other choice. As to value going from wall hanger or scrap to a shoot able gun does improve its value. Not to pristine condition but to at least a decent percentage.
If a gun has thin barrels it will be very hard to sell period. Who is going to buy a gun which they can not shoot? One wall hanger per person is enough. Sleeving saves guns from the closet or scrap heap.
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Jon,
I agree but would add that an invisable quality job be the minimun criteria.
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You ommitted the possibilities opened up by technological advances.
It is an even bet that there will be commercialisation of till now unheard of remanufacturing capabilities, especially in the rebarreling of old actions.
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Enjoyed recent discussions of trends in values for British guns, given the advent of millennials and their lack of interest, no-tox shot restrictions, more large collections going to market, etc.
Most here probably agree about a current "soft" market for user-grade vintage guns, and especially for those in 12 gauge. Guns of this stripe seem to sit on shelves almost indefinitely. Classifieds for some of these guns appear to go unanswered.
So what do you think the long-term trend will be for sleeved guns?
My own knee-jerk reaction would be something like: "A worse outlook than for guns with original barrels...even those with borderline wall thicknesses."
Therefore, is a sleeved Boss (with minimum wall thickness of .028 or .030) worth half of a Boss with borderline barrels (.020 or less and/or heavy pitting)?
Or a third of an original? Even less?
I'd like to hear some informed opinions on this subject.
As a kicker: Is it possible in coming years that sleeved guns may actually rise in value, as millennial shooters already using Berettas or Krieghoffs with monoblocs defy the conventional trend and rise to embrace them? (Younger shooters may want 2.75-inch chambers and better wall thicknesses for shooting modern/cheaper shells and to better handle no-tox shot.)
Where are we headed...any insights? I do not agree the market on a sleeved gun versus a .020 minimum thickness barreled gun (which for most of us too thin to risk shooting) would equal 50% of value. Given the sleeving is a quality job maintaining the handling dynamics. I believe good sleeving makes an otherwise unshootable gun useful again. Good sleeving is out there.
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Just a note.
There may be a misunderstanding, judging from some of the replies.
Not arguing against (or for) the utility of sleeving. I'm asking about market values...and that implies a question posed more to prospective buyers than to sellers.
The example: Given two Boss guns of the same period, stock dimensions, etc., one with good or borderline original barrels, and one that has been sleeved...what would the price difference be?
Would the sleeved gun sell for half the price of the gun in "original" condition?
That's the question.
Thanks!
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Just a note.
There may be a misunderstanding, judging from some of the replies.
Not arguing against (or for) the utility of sleeving. I'm asking about market values...and that implies a question posed more to prospective buyers than to sellers.
The example: Given two Boss guns of the same period, stock dimensions, etc., one with good or borderline original barrels, and one that has been sleeved...what would the price difference be?
Would the sleeved gun sell for half the price of the gun in "original" condition?
That's the question.
Thanks! Now that you have changed your example from unshootable, IMHO a 12ga sleeved gun will sell 30 to 40% less than a Boss with good barrels (.028 or better). This assumes a quality sleeving job and near to or invisible joint, But this is an educated guess without a detailed study of a lot of sales. Sleeved compared marginal or borderline barrels (heavily pitted or sub .024) maybe be close to a wash or better valued.
Michael Dittamo
Topeka, KS
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