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Soldiers are infamous for bringing back stuff with personal belongings. I had an uncle who somehow liberated a machine gun in the Korean 'Conflict'. After he died my aunt found the appropriate govt. agency and turned it in...Geo

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There used to be an old man who lived about a mile and a half from me, a very small acreage farmer, who had a little country store. Not much in it, really understocked, but he did keep cold drinks and a few snacks. The most notable thing he had in there was a machine gun on a tripod, sitting on a counter and pointed at the front door. I have no idea what happened to that thing, as he was not exactly a "friend of the family". As my Grandaddy told it to me, when he bought the farm and house I live in/on, in 1919, this fellow was living in this house, as sort of a self appointed caretaker. When he got word that Grandaddy had bought the place he sent word to him that if he set foot on the place he would "leave him in his tracks". Grandaddy took a horse and buggy to the county seat, Waynesboro, to see the sheriff about it and told him the deal. Sheriff handed my grandaddy his personal sidearm and said to him "You can handle it, can't you?". Grandaddy took his pistol and went on to Augusta and bought another revolver, a Colt. When he got back to this farm that he had bought he approached the man, who was in the mule lot. According to Grandaddy, he told the man "I got the message you sent me. I bought this place, and me and my wife are going to move into this house and farm here. I aim to settle this, this day. If you want to "shoot it out", I brought two pistols. If you want to "cut it out", I brought two knives. If you want to settle it with our fists, well, that's the other option, but we're gonna settle it now. Fellow said, "Fists", to which Grandaddy replied "In the middle of the public road", and started towards the dirt road in front of the house. They got about halfway and the squatter said "No, you bought it ...........I guess I'll move".

That guy's granddaughter lives in the house he died in, close to me, and is a flaming liberal. Hates Trump. The apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.

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Originally Posted By: SKB

Nothing wrong at all in looking for the most cost effective way to get the gun you. Best to know the law though.


Exactly! Messin' with the Feds or taking a chance on not being noticed seems like a way bad idea in the 21st Century. So, a few extra $ to avoid a potential big $/big time hassle? Seems like an easy choice to me.


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I purchased a Francotte damascus gun from a person in Florida over the internet. He was a grandson of the original owner and knew nothing about guns. He insisted that the gun be shipped by a dealer to a dealer (me). I entered the shipment in my log book and then realized that the gun was made in 1891.

I later called the local ATF field office to ask about whether I would be required to record a sale in my log book. The field agent said that the gun, although pre-188, was not an antique because it could fire modern ammunition!

At this point I will likely have a buyer complete a Form 4473 and call NICS on the sale, just to avoid a hassle later from ATF.

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It would be nice if you could get a straight answer out of those buzzards!...Geo

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Little Creek,
I believe the local ATF agent misread the law. A pre 1899 gun is an antique regardless, but a replica of a pre 1899 gun must fire ammo not available in normal trade channels, or not fire fixed ammo.
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Little Creek,
I believe the local ATF agent misread the law. A pre 1899 gun is an antique regardless, but a replica of a pre 1899 gun must fire ammo not available in normal trade channels, or not fire fixed ammo.
Mike

Thats the way the ATF states it as well.
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As defined in section 921(a)(16) of Title 18, U.S.C.
the term “antique firearm” means
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a
matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or
similar type of ignition system)
manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B)any replica of any firearm described in
subparagraph (A) if such replica —
(i)
is not designed or redesigned for using
rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed
ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire

As defined in section 921(a)(16) of Title 18, U.S.C.
the term “antique firearm” means –
(A)
any firearm (including any firearm with a
matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or
similar type of ignition system)
manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B)
any replica of any firearm described in
subparagraph (A) if such replica —
(i)
is not designed or redesigned for using
rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed
ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire


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