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Look up the "Quest for Perfection" by Michael Yardley. You can find some excerpts online that show The Churchill natural grip. I think it does more for decreasing the likelihood of finger bruising than any other straight English grip.

The Woodward half-hand and most POW are the same thing for a pistol grip. The side-by-side comparisons will show you the subtle differences of angle.

However with enough powder there's not anything you are really going to be able to do. Lengthening a stock is one of the primary ways to combat the problem. But that may or may not work depending on how you actually hold a gun.

As a side note, the Churchill natural shoots great but carries badly. The Woodward carries beautifully.

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I know that this has been mentioned in a previous post, but I'll relate my experience.

I was shooting an SXS double with pistol grip in CAS competition, and my middle finger was getting very bruised and sore. I tried the moleskin, bandaids, and other cushions to no avail.

I then put on a lace up buttstock pad, which increased the LOP, and the problem was solved for me. I could shoot the match all day without pain.

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Originally Posted By: H.H. Hipshot
I know that this has been mentioned in a previous post, but I'll relate my experience.

I was shooting an SXS double with pistol grip in CAS competition, and my middle finger was getting very bruised and sore. I tried the moleskin, bandaids, and other cushions to no avail.

I then put on a lace up buttstock pad, which increased the LOP, and the problem was solved for me. I could shoot the match all day without pain.

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Exactly............ it's the hand placement that matters. Again, I have small hands for a man, I shoot some very heavy loads in double trigger S x Ss, and never have had my finger hit by the guard.

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Can you post a photo of your hand on the stock/trigger guard with the gun mounted?

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By thumbhole do you mean the position of the nose of the comb? If so I locate this by 1) the drop at comb and 2) the distance from the front trigger on a double trigger gun or the distance from the middle of a single trigger to the nose of the comb. Measure a gun that works for you and compare it to the one that smacks your finger.
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The thumbhole is the concave area close to the nose comb where the thenar eminence of the 1st finger (i.e., the muscular base of the thumb at the 1st metacarpal) resides with proper gun handling. The thumbhole really dictates hand placement and ensures hand placement is repeatable and consistent. The nose comb to breech face measurement somewhat reflects the thumbhole measurement but I believe the geometry of the actual thumbhole has importance too.


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Wow - sounds like someone's an MD!

"The thumbhole really dictates hand placement and ensures hand placement is repeatable and consistent."

Exactly. So if your hand is too far forward, the triggerguard can give it a whack.

And I don't see how changing the LOP impacts this.

Unless it's a really big change, how does it affect the position of your hand?

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OWD, when the LOP is too short the hand naturally grips the gun farther forward than it should for proper placement, i.e., to prevent bruising the second finger. Pistol grips help prevent that, but do not do so entirely.

You may catch me shooting a shotgun with a LOP that is slightly too long, but you will never catch me shooting one that is too short. Experience has taught me better.

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I can't figure out how to post pictures but I can email them if someone will post them for me.

I did find that if I use a light load and I wrap three Band-Aids around my finger I can shoot with no pain or damage to my finger.
Thanks very much for all the responses.
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Would somebody who knows how please post pictures for me.
I can email them to anybody but I can't post them myself, Thank you, Pete

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