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So Jagermeister, even after you tell us that you have no need for a gun safe, you are dishonest enough to return to explain your hypocrisy by telling yet another lie. You've lied to us enough that your credibility is equal to the number of double guns you own... ZERO.

And you still don't want to tell us if you think large trucks should be stored in huge safes to keep them away from your Muslim friends. Or maybe you'll tell us again that the innocent people who died in Nice, France got what they deserved due to past colonialism. Don't worry. Your ignorance doesn't surprise us anymore.

So what exactly is a dziado? Is that some derogatory Pollack word that a pathetiic tire kicker and internet fake like you uses because he is frustrated by being such a loser?

Throughout all of military history, there are few instances in which rifle marksmanship has played such a significant role as it did in the Second Anglo-Boer War at the turn of the 20th century. The prowess of the Boer burghers (�citizens�) at long-range shooting stopped the juggernaut of the British Empire in its tracks (at least for a time) and astonished observers around the world. While the majority of the unpaid Boer militiamen, serving in small mounted units (�commandos�), were armed with the most modern of repeating bolt-action rifles, and firing smokeless powder cartridges, quite a few of the burghers were also armed with an interesting array of obsolescent firearms.

In order to put these arms in context, it is necessary to take just a moment to delve into the causes of the conflict and to give a very brief overview of the course of the war. Strict, God-fearing Calvinists, the Boers (�farmers�) traced their roots back to an outpost of Dutch (and later also French Huguenot) settlers established at the southern tip of Africa in the 17th century to resupply Dutch ships on their voyages to and from the Dutch East Indies. The British seized the Cape Colony (named for the Cape of Good Hope) during the Napoleonic Wars, and shortly thereafter, tensions rose between the British and the fiercely independent Boers. By the 1830s and 1840s, groups of Boers were moving northward into the interior of Africa by ox-drawn wagon trains (much the same as was seen in the American West at that same time), in order to live their lives as they saw fit. After defeating hostile native tribes, they eventually established two independent republics�the Orange Free State and the Transvaal (also known by its official title of the South African Republic)�finally out of the reach (or so they thought) of the British.


This Mauser bears an Orange Free State �O.V.S.� marking. A very few of the rifles included in a Chilean contract also bear this marking, in addition to the Chilean crest.

British imperialism, however, was in full swing during the Victorian period, and the British kept grabbing more land from the Boers, even briefly annexing the Transvaal in 1880, only to be defeated the next year by the Boers in what became known as the First Anglo-Boer War. Whereas the discovery of diamonds in 1867 had begun to change the face of the Boer�s rural and simple life by the 1880s, the discovery of gold on the Witwatersrand, near the Transvaal�s capital in 1886, doomed the Boers� hopes of maintaining their way of life. As was seen in California in the 1850s, in Australia in the 1860s, and would later be seen in the Klondike in 1898, thousands of foreign adventurers flocked to the new city of Johannesburg. They brought with them all of the vices of a boomtown, and they threatened to overwhelm the Boer culture by a sheer weight of numbers if given the franchise to vote.

In a series of manipulative moves, the local British imperialists, with the tacit support of the British government in London, pushed the Boers into an untenable position, while drumming up support from both Conservatives and Liberals in Britain by invoking imperial benefits to �backwards� cultures, as well as hypocritically accusing the Boers of mistreating the native peoples, among other supposed transgressions. Ostensibly, the British demand was to gain the vote for the Uitlanders (�Outsiders��mainly British) working in the mines, although it was really the mine owners�not the miners�who wanted the vote. However, the real aim was to control the Boers, and although he had offered a number of concessions, by the summer of 1899, the Transvaal�s president, �Oom Paul� (�Uncle Paul�) Kruger could truthfully tell the British negotiators: �It is my country that you want.�

Those pre 1898 Mauser's which the Boers used so effectively against the British were also uses with extreme effectiveness against the USA in Cuba. The 1893 "Spanish Mauser" was actually the catalyst for the 1903 Springfield & not the 1898 as so many suppose, though by the time of the Springfield's introduction they did use a few features of the new design, such as the third safety lug & cock on opening rather than closing.

The "Cone Breech" of the Springfield was not used on any Mauser. While its purpose was to ensure better feeding its case head support was far inferior to any Mauser from 1889 on. On even the early Mauser's the case head was supported all the way to the extractor groove. The '98 design used an internal ring in the receiver which enclosed the bolt head & offered better gas venting. The pre 98's or the '03 Springfield in case of a burst head or blown primer would normally turn the gas loose into the magazine well, usually splitting the stock.

That said my "Go To" deer rifle has been a 1916 7 mm Mauser Spanish Short Rifle, (based on the 1893 design) since the mid 1960's. For a hunting rifle I still like the cock on closing design the best. Just me I guess, but find it the easiest to operate.

�Never wrestle with a pig, you only get muddy and the pig will enjoy it �
So Keith, just how muddy are you willing to get?

When it comes to your constant battles with J. M. I�m pretty sure you�ve convinced no one of anything, ever. After all the threads you participate in with J.M. I�m starting to think your enjoying the Greco Roman clinch you so often share.

You seem like a bright guy, he�s a tool who�s not going away.
Shower up and move on.

Gary Player is from South Africa. He is one of my favorites along with Miguel Angel Jimenez and Jack Nicklaus. Arnold Palmer is my all time favorite. Tiger played pretty good this week.


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Golf Akbar! (Golf is Great!)

Well Bob, I'm not feeling very muddy yet, but I am getting a kick out of frustrating one of our most prolific internet frauds.

But as a bonus, you can see I also got under the skin of the absolute biggest fraud on this website... the anti-2nd Amendment troll King Brown. The only reason King jumped in with his Off Topic Boer War history lesson was to give cover to his little Socialist pal Jagermeister. King has used the same technique to move his own dishonesty down the page...
out of sight...
and hopefully out of mind.

That used to work pretty well for him. Not so much lately.

It's not every day you bag two Libtards with one shot. Jagermeister isn't having as much fun as he used to, and King is like a gnarled old apple tree that is producing one last crop before it finally succumbs to rot. But his anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric will live on to show that there is a cancer within the ranks of gun owners that is detrimental to all who fall for their back-stabbing bullshit.

So are you hoarding those Model 21's or collecting them? Since you seem passionate about keeping them original, I'd consider you a collector... as I am with my Lefevers.

That Boer thing was odd.


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Hittin� that jug of lichen hootch I reckon.

Yeah, I don't know how it got in the forum. I had pasted to email to my wife's computer. She's writing a book on her grandfather, a Boer War veteran. Sent to her but don't know how it found its way here. (I don't think the 7 X 57 reference hurt anyone.)

Miller, I have one larger-game rifle, although it can be handloaded for mice to moose, a 1950 Czech Brno 7 X 57. Superb accuracy. JOC in Outdoor Life column rated it among top saddle rifles.

King, likely copy and pasted the original passage. Then later, while browsing here, accidentally hit paste. The last thing you copied will stay for a while and get pasted whenever you hit paste. I�ve done it a few times myself.