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I thought that 16.2 is diametet/choke for shotgun tube, but I just measured at the muzzle its more like 16,8mm.So its a datastring number or gunmakers code? By pushing forward first trigger I can set the trigger for very light pull.

So that 10.8 or whatever it is could be part of datastring..

Preliminary Datastring....



Final pass Datastring....

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I carry & shoot a Ferlach Biksarica(Biks) almost every day but in either 8X57R/360 or or the 24 bore X 500 Express above..... I just checked several Ferlacher hahn guns & >>16.0<< & >>16.2<< are very common on the final pass for a bore diameter.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Very nice! So yours went as 1956th gun through proofhouse at 1911? How to read those numbers on mine? Or how they wrote it before 1900 or in beginning?

Perfekt on the final datastring.... From memory from the above preliminary datastring on the lower rib, it passed thru the Ferlach Proof Facility in 1910....

Acquiring a data from a datastring wasn't possible until I believe it was 1897? I'd have to verify that or Jani might?

But the Biks of which you are a custodian doesn't have the date as I see it so, it would either be prior or during 1891??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Yes, its very confusing indeed. Different style, composition, way of marking of datastrings can suggest different time period.. Cant find anything on it, but my german is non existing..

I found another letter on the gun, W and spme other mark, maybe 4 or A or H.

Maybe assembly numbers? I will have to look, but that bump on the forend is typically seen on German wares...... I will have to check a bit....

Some aside info on the Ferlach mechanics and Josef Winkler that I stumbled across & thought might need to be resurrected:

The guilds kept a heavy thumb on the pyramid of craftsmen in that there were few master mechanics & many, many more apprentices, journeymen & skilled mechanics. Having a bias that the name atop the tubes of a sporting weapon is not the actual maker is generally a good stance, but it is possible with bespoken sporting weapons makers like the smaller ones in Ferlach that they played some part in the overall construction of the sporting weapons bearing their name. The larger concerns would source components and efforts from other gunmaking centers like Liege & Suhl/Zella Sankt Blasii - Mehlis in order to fill orders. I am not certain if Josef Winkler was a member of the Consortium or not but I am confident that he at a minimum sourced components and possibly some effort from the Consortium. A guess was that he had say 3 mechanics and possibly double that number of apprentices & journeyman and rolled out quality examples. Ferlach craftsmen are some of the best tube tuners around & their proximity to the local forest/shooting grounds provides an excellent opportunity to equip upper rung hunters with their whims.

Digging deeper in the sand pile of Ferlach gunmaking as the sand piles in on you, it appears highly probable that 2 gunmaking brothers Schaschl departed Liege to establish a dynasty of gunmaking in Ferlach in the late 1500s. Their families may have originated in Maastricht, Holland or mechanics from Maastricht, Holland were recruited. Premier Ferlach tube maker John Schaschl gives origins as far back as circa 1650 and has to be one of the descendants of the Brothers Schaschl, who would have provided a workshop for subsequent Ferlach mechanics to study and pass thru. Seems there is quite a story here also.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Too the Austrian & Bohemian hunters held with old tried & true hammer platforms, just about as bad as the French, well into the hammerless realm.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Back to the topic of discussion, might you take a glass or loupe and scan down the lower rib out past the forend iron? There should be a preliminary datastring....

Serbus,

Raimey
rse