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Hi folks. I'm a new member of the forum. Long time upland hunter. Have owned an early 1920's AH Fox Sterlingwerth for about 18 years. Recently purchased the "Julius Rosler" pictured below from Crosnoe Guns. I'll get right to my questions in case you want to answer without reading all of my drivel:

- I don't think this is of particular collector value, but thoughts on having the existing fixed F/F chokes opened?

- Thoughts on what constriction I should specify if I do have them opened? I forgot my #6's - but I patterned it with #8's (RST 1oz) and it was patterning an nice even 60ish% at 40 yards - so actually more like Modified. I hunt everything from grouse in WI, to released pheasant in IL, and an annual mixed bag pheasant/quail trip to KS.

- Who should I send the gun to for this work? I keep coming across Mike Orlen's name in forums - thoughts?

OK - so the gun: 16ga J. Rosler (Austrian, but the proofs are 1920's Belgium), 65mm chambers, 6.5lbs, with nice modern 2 1/2" DAH. Very tight. Refinished wood and barrels. Operates fine but the firing pins drag a bit on opening. Otherwise functions great and totally tight on face. The bores measure .671" or so, pretty close to the 17.0mm on the bbls so they have been honed but not too bad. I paid $1,300 so not terribly expensive, but perhaps a bit too much considering I thought it was Austrian, but is actually of Belgium origin.








Sorry for such a long post. Any answers or feedback is appreciated. Thanks very much.


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Mike does good work.

My choice for all around use would be .005" and .015" in a 16.

I'd handload #5 nickel plate for pheasants, and use smaller chilled shot to open things up for the smaller birds.

Nice gun. Welcome to this gathering place


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Hello Makintrax73,

Welcome to the site on your first posting
Nice gun

I usually suggest that you use the gun "AS IS" for one year and then if you want more open chokes then yes I would have it opened for your style of shooting.

Mike does good work.

Mike

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Belgium builders build beautiful guns and some of the best game guns in the world. You did good in my opinion.

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A recent thread & somewhat confirms Julius Rößler of Salzburg sourced Liege often:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=419837

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Austrian or Belgium, it looks like a nicely made gun with that cross bolt. I hope it gives years of enjoyment.
Skeettx has the right advice to use it as is for awhile. It's remarkable how a change in loads can affect the gun's patterns.
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Welcome to the site. A very nice gun. Enjoy shooting it. I too suggest shooting it as is for a while and see how you like the gun and decide what chokes you will require. To do this you might think about using spreaders in the right tube. This will open up the right barrel about one choke constriction. I did this with a 12 ga. English gun choked Mod. and Full and liked the performance with a spreader in the right tube so much that I never had the choke opened up. RST carries a 16 ga. spreader in 7/8 oz.

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First, welcome to the board!

Second; it appears to be a very well made gun from your pics. Always a nice touch to see those hollowed pin ends that were flared to keep them there. Engraving is also well executed, scrolls being the toughest to execute.

Third: I'd go along w/prior advise to shoot it 'as is' for a while first, but w/the proviso that you spend a little time on a grease plate to see how the loads you intend to shoot perform. I'm speaking to simply making a hard focus on the centre point of the plate and firing as you bring the gun into play. Its a good method to both see where it is shooting for you, but also lets you take a look at the pattern and is distribution. Do that for a box and you'll have a very good idea of whot you are dealing with. Just my two cents; opinions vary to its worth and that's perfectly fine w/me, but if you do that you will have a much better idea of not only how the gun is shooting for you, but also what you may reasonably expect from it performance wise w/a given load. If you reload, you have even more options at your disposal. Just saying.

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Welcome, welcome to the premier double gun site. You have a nice box lock gun. From an old doublegun shooter/hunter ........ please, please do not open those chokes right now. I have been down that road, many years ago, and regret every choke I ever reamed. You can take metal out very easily, but you cannot put it back to it's original state.

As has been suggested by others, there are other means to open your patterns, those things of which I now avail myself when I want an open pattern for a particular pursuit, which is not that often. Nevertheless, the means are there. Please, wait and shoot your gun a year or two before reaming your chokes.

All my best, SRH


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Just had a 16 ga W & S model 700 chokes opened right barrel to pattern 1 oz no. 8 at 20 yds and left barrel optimum at 35 yds (about modified)
Dean Harris owner of Skeets Gun Shop in Telequah, OK, did the job absolutely perfect. Made sure barrels had proper minimum wall thickness before beginning work. Truly a Master at his craft, very personable in discussing what you want done and fees very reasonable

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