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Wish I would have seen your post, Gil. I just ordered "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills" minutes ago. I'll follow up with "White Feather" when I finish it. I needed some summer reading material and I thank this thread and y'all for the inspiration!

Gil and Dave, I'm trying to sleuth the why of performance divergence of Canadian and US snipers who may or may not share the same equipment although there are no secrets between them: they�re killer brethern in arms, often on same operations. Usual security considerations. JTF-2 itself is so secretive that the Canadian public didn't know they were over there until folks recognized Canadians among Americans in a national front-page photo with blind-folded Taliban.

My notion today, likely to change tomorrow, is Canada not likely to have better computer and scope technology, more likely a better scope mount to accommodate the surpassing wizardry of American computers and European lenses. For sure it's different from my Uncle Doug�s WW2 British No. 2 Commando experience, raiding behind lines, searching information from warm and bloody corpses, family snaps and letters.

I doubt much or any difference in training.

Stan, I'll bet most of us interested in marksmanship and ballistics have turned common rifles into gems by hand loading. The 7X57 in particular.

As in any endeavors, training helps, but not all elements of The Knack can be taught. Positioning, concealment and stealth are as important as bullet placement necessary to ensure survival of the shooter and spotter. I worked with a younger man who served for 5 years as an 11 Bravo. He also had his sniper's badge. In sniper school, one of the first thing done is each trainee sews and glues up a ghillie suit from scratch.
The man had no gun handling experience before joining the army. Some of the best shots don't have a background in hunting or marksmanship, but their advantage is no ingrained bad habits. Training was on a clean slate. Gil

It may just be a numbers game. Your fine troops may be under different rules of engagement, and may be taking these long range pokes because they don't have any other choice. Even a relatively near miss would probably handcuff the vermin's normal operations.

Also realize ...... they don't write about the shots that miss.

SRH

My late brother was ex USMC sniper followed by career SF Weapons specialist including "target interdiction" specialization (mostly "middle east"). The figures are extreme but possible. The prior CDN record was achieved with "borrowed" USA ammo pre-heated in the sun. Also don't forget these ranges are a team effort with the spotter who is actually directing fire. They're rarely one shot one kill and rely on inept target response. 3 rounds is not unusual for a kill at those distances.
Jeremy

Our rules of engagement are prime-time debate right now in the House of Commons. We're "training" in Syria and Iraq front lines and NATO is asking for more of our training in Afghanistan. Opposition MPs say training isn't killing but a response is training for marking targets, as with the Kurds with whom we have a strong relationship, can't be done properly without actually doing it in fighting conditions. US training of Afghan police has cost the lives of three marines by infiltrated Taliban "students." And so it goes.

So-- what does all this have to do with the moderators definition for the purpose of this forum?? Maybe better addressed in an another forum?? I thought this was a shotgun forum.

Do you mean Marines, as in the USMC? If so, I'd appreciate the capital "M". I'd show the same respect for your armed services members.

SRH