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How rare are original 2& 3/4" / 70mm chambered English SxS's ?
In all my searching I've ran into two of them.
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I have a 16ga Webley&Scott model 700 which is a '60s gun imported by Abercrombie&Fitch. It is 2 3/4" and I think original because it was built for the American market...Geo
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I looked over couple quite recently. One was W.J. Jeffrey BLNE Wildfowl gun (heavy by English standards 1&1/4oz proof) brought in by Briley of Texas the other was common Webley & Scott BLE gun. Both had original 2&3/4" chambers. I would think 2&3/4" chambers would be quite common on post WWII guns like the Webley 7xx series.
Those with original 2&3/4 inch chambers will be preferred by shooters and therefore held on to and bought up more quickly. It's nice to be able to buy 1&1/8 oz hunting loads at local Walmart instead of having to spend extra money and trouble to track down ammo with 65mm or 67mm case length after firing. This will seem to make them more rare on our marker and rightfully so.
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I have a 16ga Webley&Scott model 700 which is a '60s gun imported by Abercrombie&Fitch. It is 2 3/4" and I think original because it was built for the American market...Geo You are lucky. Both 1oz Federal #6 and Australian Winchester 1oz #8s can be had at Walmart. Those are not in locked cabinet so you don't have to wait for clerk to open case and ring you up. Nice.
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They aren't too rare. If you spent less time trolling people here and more time looking around, you could find out for yourself.
Certain makers specialized in heavier type fowling & pigeon guns, so obviously guns bearing their names will have 2 3/4" chambers over makers who's specialty was making light game guns.
My G.E. Lewis is from 1905, original 2 3/4" chambers, it's odd that it's proofed for 1 1/8 oz instead of the more common 1 1/4 oz. My guess it was made for a fella who specialized in wood pigeon & shore bird gunning. The action is profusely engraved with wood pigeons, plover and golden plover.
Lots of Greeners, Rossons, Lewis, Jeffrey, Wild, even Purdey's , etc out there with original 2 3/4" chambers.
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I have a 16ga Webley&Scott model 700 which is a '60s gun imported by Abercrombie&Fitch. It is 2 3/4" and I think original because it was built for the American market...Geo You are lucky. Both 1oz Federal #6 and Australian Winchester 1oz #8s can be had at Walmart. Those are not in locked cabinet so you don't have to wait for clerk to open case and ring you up. Nice. I checked to be sure. The barrel flats are stamped 2 3/4" and it is proofed for 3 1/2 tons pressure...Geo
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They aren't too rare. If you spent less time trolling people here and more time looking around, you could find out for yourself.
Certain makers specialized in heavier type fowling & pigeon guns, so obviously guns bearing their names will have 2 3/4" chambers over makers who's specialty was making light game guns.
My G.E. Lewis is from 1905, original 2 3/4" chambers, it's odd that it's proofed for 1 1/8 oz instead of the more common 1 1/4 oz. My guess it was made for a fella who specialized in wood pigeon & shore bird gunning. The action is profusely engraved with wood pigeons, plover and golden plover.
Lots of Greeners, Rossons, Lewis, Jeffrey, Wild, even Purdey's , etc out there with original 2 3/4" chambers. What I would look for is 6&3/4lb to 7lb game gun with original 2&3/4inch chambers. Never seen much use to look for English fowlers when $600 Sterlingworth extractor with 30" barrels can do just as well for less money. When it comes to old game guns the English were unsurpassed with exception of certain French guns of same period.
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They aren't too rare. If you spent less time trolling people here and more time looking around, you could find out for yourself.
Certain makers specialized in heavier type fowling & pigeon guns, so obviously guns bearing their names will have 2 3/4" chambers over makers who's specialty was making light game guns.
My G.E. Lewis is from 1905, original 2 3/4" chambers, it's odd that it's proofed for 1 1/8 oz instead of the more common 1 1/4 oz. My guess it was made for a fella who specialized in wood pigeon & shore bird gunning. The action is profusely engraved with wood pigeons, plover and golden plover.
Lots of Greeners, Rossons, Lewis, Jeffrey, Wild, even Purdey's , etc out there with original 2 3/4" chambers. What I would look for is 6&3/4lb to 7lb game gun with original 2&3/4inch chambers. Never seen much use to look for English fowlers when $600 Sterlingworth extractor with 30" barrels can do just as well for less money. When it comes to old game guns the English were unsurpassed with exception of certain French guns of same period. Well, I suppose if I gave a capital F what you think, and if I really wanted one.... I guess I could've went the Sterlingworth route, but instead, I looked for and actually bought a far superior gun (in fit, finish and mechanics) built for a specialized purpose. You sure have a lot of suggestions for a guy who doesn't really actually own any double guns.
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Beginning about 1880, William Powell & Son was making 2 3/4" chambered barrels for their Australian clients. For that market
they seemed common.
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I have a 16ga Webley&Scott model 700 which is a '60s gun imported by Abercrombie&Fitch. It is 2 3/4" and I think original because it was built for the American market...Geo You are lucky. Both 1oz Federal #6 and Australian Winchester 1oz #8s can be had at Walmart. Those are not in locked cabinet so you don't have to wait for clerk to open case and ring you up. Nice. Australian Winchester shot shells?? At Walmart?? Will someone please explain. I am not familiar with these. What differences are there in them from US Winchester shells???
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