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Originally Posted By: LGF
There is also a gunsmithing school that gives NRA summer courses at Lassen Community College in Susanville, NE California.


Having taken course work at Susanville I'd love if there were such a double gun course and browning (barrels ... not guns) course there. Sadly there is not and I suspect there's very little prospect of such given that they have difficulty even filling their engraving courses. For what it's worth I've suggested such to their overlords (overladies) but I doubt that will make any impact. Why is it so hard to get good things added but so easy to get them removed? I suppose the lowest common denominator is a powerful divider smile

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Originally Posted By: gil russell
But TSJC is offering a class in hat making. Go Figure. This is nuts.


I saw that and was "amused". Nothing against hats... I wear them and like a good hat. But in a gunsmithing program?? Really?
Maybe someone confused milner and milling. And don't the young wear hoodies not hats anyway ? smile

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Gentlemen:

To throw my $.02 in, I do not know just what drove the decision to cancel Dennis' class. It did not really surprise me that my class was cancelled, as it was always on the edge of minimum attendance. However, it seemed that double gun class was well attended.

One must assume that the decision was made for what was believed to be the best for the program. I do know that all the students are queried regarding their thoughts on the classes offered and about what other classes they would like to see offered. This is part of the class evaluation forms each student is given.

Whether we are indeed invited back in 2018 as we were told they intend to do remains to be seen. Again, the ball is in their court and they will make the decision based on what they think best.

There are a lot of interesting courses taught at the school, and I would like to take most of them. I am not at all surprised by offerings such as a hat making course. Many of the courses are "fringe" courses with a very narrow appeal. That is what makes the courses offered so attractive. Both the double gun and the single shot courses fit that description. It may be that the school feels it can better serve its customers by having the more diverse offerings made possible by an every other year rotation.

In any event, there appears to be other options for the courses. Dennis and I have been asked to hold our courses at another school in 2018, and there seems to be at least a possibility that the courses will be held somewhere else this year.

The bottom line is the actual attendance at the classes. If people don't show up, the classes will not exist. It is very difficult for most people to come up with the time required to take the courses. The inconvenience of gainful employment and a desire to spend the limited free time one has with family are the greatest factors. I reckon the bottom line is that if you see a course that you wish to take, you may have to take it when you can because it might not be available in the future.

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To throw my $.02 in after Glen's, I have to express my gratitude to Dennis, Glen and Mark for sharing their knowledge. I have attended Trinidad multiple times, learned a lot and had a lot of fun while there. I was extremely disappointed to learn that their classes were not scheduled this year. There is now a large hole in my summer plans that I hope can be filled by some other educational opportunity. I will anxiously wait for an announcement about classes scheduled at some other location. It is Trinidad's loss.

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What a shame these classes have been cancelled. I'm one who falls into the type of person Glenn referred too. I can retire later this year & have been waiting until I retire to take the classes offered at Trinidad. I hope they will be offered somewhere in 2018 when I finally have the time to attend.

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Well, as I said I would I wrote to the Course Coordinator at Trinidad regarding the course disappearance. I received an e-mail response this morning.

Here it is in untrimmed form so all the information is out there.
There is some explanation as to what is actually going on with the impact of student surveys and "the inmates running the asylum" smile.
Dennis and Glenn, I guess you can expect to hear from Trinidad in the near future; remember you heard it hear first smile

The good news is the courses should return next year, if the instructors are willing.

Jeremy

"Good Afternoon Dr. Bartlett,
I received your letter today concerning the Double Guns course not being included in the 2017 summer schedule. Our plan is to offer the Double Guns and Metalsmithing Single Shot Rifle classes every other year. I plan to ask Dennis Potter and Glenn Fewless to teach their courses again next summer and it is my hope they will agree to do so.
Following each class in the summer, we ask students to complete a satisfaction survey, which includes suggestions for new classes and ways to improve the program. These comments are taken seriously as we develop the schedule for the next summer. We have received requests that outnumber the space we have available, which has led to the decision to offer some of the courses on an every-other-year basis.
You may not be aware, but Trinidad State offers some small certificates in the summer, which requires that we offer the classes in those certificates each year so that students can either earn one of the certificates in one summer or take one or two of the required courses each year until they have earned the certificate.
I hope this email has answered your questions. If you have any further questions, please let me know.
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This is a sad trend in the gunsmithing trade that has been going on for sometime. When I attended Trinidad as a full time student 15 years ago there was very little interest in traditional skills. Most students did not want to learn how to stock a rifle from a blank, build a spring from scratch or learn how to rust blue.

Spray painting guns guilt from a catalog was extremely popular though.

The world is changing and we are the dinosaurs unfortunately. I talked to the owner of the gun store I worked at in the past recently. He always stocked a nice selection of classic guns, double, Model 12 pumps etc. The other day he told me he no longer buys them or takes them on trade. He said he sells lots of shotguns but none of the classics. They just sit on the shelf while synthetic stocked 3" mag semi-autos with screw in chokes fly out the door.

Dennis puts on a great class and his approach to solving a problem is second to none. I hope he returns next year and is able to pass on some more of his vast amount of knowledge.


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Originally Posted By: SKB
The world is changing and we are the dinosaurs unfortunately. I talked to the owner of the gun store I worked at in the past recently. He always stocked a nice selection of classic guns, double, Model 12 pumps etc. The other day he told me he no longer buys them or takes them on trade. He said he sells lots of shotguns but none of the classics. They just sit on the shelf while synthetic stocked 3" mag semi-autos with screw in chokes fly out the door.

Dennis puts on a great class and his approach to solving a problem is second to none. I hope he returns next year and is able to pass on some more of his vast amount of knowledge.



Well I'll definitely be keeping my eye on the 2018 schedule with an aim to getting a place as soon as possible in both courses if possible.

As to doubles being dinosaurs that's certainly the case. The best "Sporting Goods" store in my area closed a few years ago which is a real shame as they carried a wide range of hunting and fishing equipment, ammunition, books and used items and I tried to do all my related shopping there including gun transfers even if it was a bit out of the way. Only the chain stores like Big 5 exist anymore. I mail order ammunition now.

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Well I received an email from Trinidad yesterday with the summer course offerings and I'm very disappointed. No double gun course, no damascus browning, frankly very little of interest. I keep thinking maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. frown
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Stay tuned, more info when all is finalized.

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