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That's even worse.
You're saying he can look into the heads and hearts of those who choose to spend their money on Model 21's
and he knows for a fact that they cannot justify the purchase to themselves?
You apparently have a similar gift. Without consulting Mr. Brown, you know what he really meant.

I've seen plenty of broke people buy expensive shotguns to impress others, and then get divorced.

Too many, really.

But what each person can afford is different, so, who's to say?

No, I can read and understand what people write. You on the other hand are clearly an argumentative individual who enjoys taking shots at people and putting words in their mouths. I make it a habit when in discussion with individuals such as you to simply discontinue dialogue and allow them to believe as they wish.

A jackass with 23 posts defends KB who says that snobbishness, speculation;, and gone wild consumerism are the justification for owning a Model 21. I don't consider the ownership of a 21 either speculation or investment, but it has worked for me since I bought my first pair of 21s in 1965, just before I headed for the U of Maryland, broke again. Since then, I have made money on about 50 Model 21s, as will anyone else who knows his shotguns. Mr. Cash argumentative? I don't think so.

Like Bob Cash, I like Model 21s� for the way they both look and handle.

A long-time shooting friend, who is now 85 years of age, belonged to a gun club in southern California back in the sixties. He shot regularly with the founder/owner of the nationally-known Orowheat bread company who was a SxS enthusiast to the point that he ordered a Purdey and asked the firm to balance the gun identically to the Model 21 that he was then shooting so well. He even offered to have his 21 shipped to Purdey�s to assist them in that�..which they politely declined, stating that they well knew how to balance a gun.

I�ve been fortunate over the decades to own and shoot four different M21s�, still having a 12 ga. and two 16s� that see a good bit of use on both birds and clays. I�ve never thought of them as having snob appeal, as our resident Commie troll relates, but then again a few weeks ago he stated he could never own a Purdey for how that would label him. In my opinion, they are nice, solid guns with high-end metal finishes and often fancy walnut that are pleasing to most eyes.

Know that I am not wealthy......never owned a snowmobile, or 4-wheel ATV, or a motorized fishing boat, or even an airplane, King!.....any of which generally cost more than your average Model 21 while not retaining their value given long-term use.....as do most vintage guns of quality. So, I guess it's what we as individuals decide to plunk it down on, which doesn't seem to set will with some posters here whenever Model 21s' come up.

The complaint I seem to hear next, after that of cost, is their slightly heavier carry weight in the field. This coming from upland shooters who are often wrestling around an extra twenty to thirty pounds of their own, which has me pondering. Although I have a few quality lighter SxS's both American and English made, I keep returning to the 21's pretty often for a day in the field. So, I guess you can add me to the list with Bob Cash and Bill M. in not finding much to dislike about this gun.

Rob Harris

And "There is where our paths diverge, Murph". You enjoy buying and later re-selling guns for a profit- Bernie Baruch's econ 101- and as all dealers know- you make your money on the "buy in", not on the re-sale later. I have bought, starting in 2000 about 5 good graded 12 gauge double guns and one 20 bore-an A.H. Fox ejector Utica Sterlingworth, the other 4 are ejector equipped Smiths- and have not yet even entered the notion of offering any or all of them for sale-today, or tomorrow.2 of those Smiths I bought from pal Brad Bachelder's shop, also my Ithaca NID 12 grade 2 (non-ejector), my most recent purchase came from GM store in West Walker MI- the 12 gauge 3E with HOT and rebarreled at the factory with a matching set of 32" VR nitro steel barrels and smaller size beavertail. I waiting that Smith out for over 3 years, waiting for GM to lower the price, and finally, they did.

By the way, I always check the Cabela's Gun Libraries in person (two here in MI) before I shell out 4 figure dinero- and I have found more errors in hangtag description, and mechanical problems (ejectors mal-functioning, single triggers not selecting, etc. at the Cabela's Gun Libraries- than with either or both of the GM outlet stores in the Kent Co. area- they safety check all used guns they buy or acept on trade, and offer a 60 day warranty on all used guns they sell- with option to extend that coverage if the buyer wishes. Caveat empetor, n'ces pas mon ami??

I buy them to keep and shoot and strip and clean and treasure as relics of my boyhood days, before all the world went crazy )IMO) and for ties to my male fore-bearers- who, like Hemingway mentioned in "Fathers and Sons", taught me to hunt and shoot
and to treasure my days afield and in the marsh with a fine gun in hand.

I am blessed, as I don't have to look for the mythological M21 on Ex_Lax Bay for half a K--and change. I inherited mine (thanks, Dad) and even if I won the powerball jackpot, I would never spend today's going asking prices for M21's- regardless of gauge and vintage. But if you can profit in the second time around market for M21's- more power to you. RWTF

I never bought a 21 with the idea of selling it for a profit. However, my friends who are not "gun shoppers" seem to appreciate my taste in guns and end up owning what I thought were my lifetime acquisitions. I don't remember ever selling one to a stranger. Now that I rethink my figures, fifty may be a bit high. I may honestly estimate that 25 or 30 may be more to the point. I would buy any of them back for what I sold them for, or more.

I find that Model 21's are not only excellent clay and field guns but are an outstanding tangible asset. I consider them money in the bank.
I've never been one to go for the 12 gauge PG F/M but search out interesting sub gauge Skeet guns.
Either that or English stocks, double triggers or looooong barrels.

They make excellent trading fodder as most everyone I do business with recognizes the value of the brand. Never a penny lost.
I pity you Mr. M for having passed down dozens of these fine shotguns.
I'm a little blue myself as I just traded away 4 of mine for a soon to be Galazan Fox.

I don't mean to pick, but one doesn't open his gun and then pass it over the shoulder to the loader in an English driven shoot. The closed gun with safety on is passed in the right hand and the shooter accepts the loaded gun in the left (for a right handed shooter). The guns are closed when passed.

Did I ever get an answer to my question? Just asking.