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Anyone use an unerlever opening SXS? I thik W.J. Jeffery, James Woodward and some others built doubles with underlever opening.

I am wondering how handy the lever is in use, how it compares to top lever operation. Mechanically it has definite advantages both on terms of leverage and simplicity of construction. It is the handiness that leaves a question.

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I never had but two. An old Boss gun and a Needham single I once owned. I found the under-lever slow to operate in comparison with either a top lever or side lever gun...Geo

Probably could've gotten used to it if I'd shot the guns more. I like the MF Ideal trigger guard lever best.

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Are you referring to the Jones rotating under lever? If so they are slower to operate, some do it quite well. But they are one of the strongest fastening systems ever used.

There are other types of under levers. One is a push forward and the other is a pull upward operation. I had a Adams with a push forward lever that I liked both the styling and operation of. Unfortunately the barrels were paper thin and they had stopped doing the Teague lining by then. Lovely brown Damascus wall hanger it was with barrels less than .015, one spot just about where my thumb and finger would rest.

Side levers work quite well if you come across one take a good long look at it.

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I use my Stephen Grant Jones lever quite often in events and I am used to it and
it is near an unconscious move to open it. It has non rebounding hammers which adds to the drama. One modern equipped co-participant said it looked like it came with the Mayflower!

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Tell me in plain simple words what makes the Jones underlever any stronger than any other good bolting system. As I see it all it does is hold the barrels shut. Holding the barrels closed is one of the minor factors of "Strength" in a break action gun.


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Miller, as I see it, the Jone's system literally bolts the barrels down to the action bar and no movement is possible. And if it's properly built it also retards most of the rearward movement. I've heard more than one old gunsmith claim they've never seen a gun with the Jone's underlever off face. I can't speak to this though I have two with the Jone's system I'll never shoot them enough to know.


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I have a Joseph Lang Jones underlever, non-rebounding hammer gun which is somewhat slow to reload but once you get used to the "dance" of half-cock then open it's fine for shooting where a fast reload isn't needed. It does fine on clays and is my favorite quail gun. As far as the strength of lockup I don't know because I've only put 6,000 rounds through this gun which was completed March 6, 1866 and it's as tight as the day I bought it.

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I have the exception to the rule. I bought a Joseph Lang 2 years ago with the Jones underlever. It was off face when I bought it. But it had been through a hard life.

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I have an H grade twist bbl Lefever with Bolted Doll's Head. Gun has been used & abused, bores look like a sewer pipe, has a crack in the left bbl, stock is held together with tape. I bought it "Cheap" as a parts gun but haven't needed any parts from it.But you know what it's tight & on face, even with the ball hinge pin completely removed with just the Doll's Head holding. I fail to see any useful advantage to the Jones Lever which would outweigh its drawbacks.


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I've seen a few loose Jones under levers. They're slow to operate, but have few moving parts to wear or break, and lend stylish lines to a gun, I think.

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