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I have fitted a 10 inch .22 rf einstecklauf to the right barrel of a drilling. I think (perhaps mistakenly) that there were non-permanent sight holders made to hold the rifle sight up when using the insert. I don't have any idea what these looked like or how they functioned. Anyone have a picture or a description that would help me make one? Or maybe one they would be willing to part with?
I do have another drilling, fitted with a small lever through the rib to do just this, but again I am under the impression that there may have been some sort of less permanent sight holder available. If so, that is what I am trying to come up with for this drilling as I do not want to get into cutting into the rib.
Thank you.
Mike

MikeV, Never seen a device to hold up the rear sight but after looking at mine I would think that one could easily be made from something as simple as a tin can by cutting out a piece, folding the tin over the sides of the rib, with one end wedged against the recess where the site drops into, then bend a couple of "legs" up to hold the site up. The spring tension on the sight should hold it place and if not add a small hobby magnet to hold it in place. I know I probably made this about a clear as mud (sorry). Where in the "midwest" might you be located. I am just north of the Twin Cities in MN...

WBLDon

Hopefully you have an optical sight on your drilling, than you can use this. The rear iron sight goes only up by cocking the rifle barrel. You can also take it up by hand and block it with a small piece of iron in front of the sight on the rib.
The Einstecklauf is adjustable with a small tool and after that's done the drilling get a mark on the barrel for ever how to insert it.
I use it in my August Wolf Drilling (manufactured 1926) and it's perfect together with a Hensoldt 4x for cat and fox.
I have the original description from "Krieghoff-Einstecklauf Semper" D.R.G.M. (appr. 85 years old) to adjust it and I can send it to you as a copy.
Ger

Ger and WBLDon,
Thanks for the replies. I have been thinking along the lines of WBLDon's suggestion. Ger I don't have optics on this drilling and that is why I am using the rifle sight. I would appreciate a copy of the original description for the einstecklauf. Thank you.

WBLDon I am in the far east of the midwest! Ohio.

In this description is shown by a picture in which way you can built an adapter to hold the sight in upright position.
I have made a pdf file from this sheet of paper but I don't know how can I install it here.
Ger

MikeV,
I think what you are looking for used to be available( maybe now also). If my memory doesn't fail me, it is called a "vizier-sperre"( sight blocker).New England Custom Guns might be able to find one for you. If not, I agree with Ger that you should be able to make one. Sorry I don't have one to go by, but my drillings are scoped. BTW, I find my ELs very handy.
Mike

Krieghoff's recommondation in this very old paper ist to use a special "Klappvisier", but now not available. The next recommondation is to hold the sight in upright position with one finger of the left hand, but the last one is the best, to put a small adapter in front and beside the rear sight (Visier). Pre WWII the price for this was 1,50RM.
Ger

Ger and Mike,
Thanks for the replies.
I think what you both are referring to is what I was looking for.
I think I can make something up to work.The drilling I am working with is a pre-war that has never had a scope or mounts added. I am inclined to leave it as I have others to hunt with.
I came buy a nice 22 mag einstecklauf and thought it would be fun to add it.
Ger I sent you a PM with my email if you would like to send me that PDF.
Thanks fellows for the help.
Mike

Please accept my apologies if I'm missing something here but I have to question why the .22 insert was placed in the right shot tube of what sounds like the more common drilling configuration - SXS shot tubes over rifle barrel? Typically with the rifle barrel "selected" the rear sight pops up and the front trigger now fires the rifle barrel and right shot barrel will not fire. In turn the rear trigger is still at the ready to fire the left shot tube with the rear sight still in its up position. This is why slug cartridges are used in the left barrel. If one is using optics I suppose one could put the insert in the right shot tube but it looks like the original plan was to use the rear sight.

Buchsemann,
The einstecklaufs were installed in the right barrel to take advantage of the set trigger. You can buy one for the left barrel, but it has to be specially made. This is because the "convergence" built into them is opposite each other.
Ger,
The term "Klappvisier" would be "folding sight" in English. These were not automatic and were folded "up" by hand. One can be made easily enough from a common 2 leaf rear sight, by milling the standing leaf off. If you don't mind losing the automatic function of the rear sight, the simplest solution is to remove, label, and store the small rod in the barrel rib, that pushes it "up".
Still, the einstecklauf is a handy thing to have. I enjoy all of mine, although the one for my O/U combo is hardly used, so I can use shot.
Mike