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Just a few. C.W. Ebrall of Shrewsbury. D Adams of Manchester. W. Richards Liverpool. Hooton & Jones Liverpool.


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I have seen a few Linsley Brothers guns, one pair a clone of an H and H Royal pair [later design] but I have not seen a Linsley marked Birmingham or London.

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I agree with Joe's "nomination" of Cashmore--Kirkwood Brothers (Boston) sold these, and they are excellent sidelocks (also boxlocks).

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Other Scottish gun makers would include Charles Ingram, Daniel Fraser, James Dalziel Dougall and James Wallace with whom John Dickson served his apprenticeship from 1806 to 1813.


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Thank you all! I recognize more of the names than I thought I would. The possibility of finding a great bargain is possible I hope. I had the honor of handling, but not shooting a pair of Dicksons owned by the late Lenard Bull. They are at the top of the mountain I am hoping to reach the summit someday. And it seems we are capable of discussing fine guns and differing opinions in a polite manner. Pictures are always nice. Respectfully, Mark

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Every single maker was capable of producing a "best" gun in the strictest sense of the word. If money was no object the system of outworkers in England made it very easy. I think the best measure of a maker is the quality of work turned out at a price point, especially on the lower end. Here you will discover the real philosophy of the maker. What corners were they willing to cut, where did they draw the line, and so forth. For instance, I am always amazed at prewar guns made by Scott (or Webley & Scott). Most of their models were offered in at least three grades but the main differences were in the amount of engraving and figure in the wood. Underneath, the finish and fitting in the lowest grade is equal to that of the top grade. And I'm yet to find wood on the lowest grade that wasn't carefully laid out and executed. By the same measure though I often see other English examples put up in the crudest fashion, one I happen to own wasn't even case hardened! And I'm sure that very same maker could offer a best when tempted.

Moral to this treatise: just as a car shouldn't be judged by its paint job without looking under the hood, judge a gun by what's really important and not the superficial.


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We also have documented evidence that certain makers, (James Purdey, Westley Richards, Holland & Holland, to name a few) were tested to the limit over and over again and performed flawlessly.

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For bargain hunting, I offer the following advice.

Assume a BV1 gun = 8. Then BV2 = 6, BV3 = 4, BVB2 = 2, and BV5 = 1. This list assumes equal Original Quality grade and equal Current Condition level. The foregoing says that if you compare a BV1 (Boss/H&H/Purdey/Woodward) to a BV5 (continental made, unsigned masterpiece) of equal OQ and CC the BV5 gun will value 1/8 of the BV1 gun. A BV3 will value 1/2 a BV1. Bargains (mosty bang for the buck) in quality are in the lower BV's.


Buy the highest CC you can possibly afford. IMO, CC trumps both BV and OQ.

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