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Here,s another not in the database, and a big bore!


The forend, stock and action (barrels available) of an E.M.Reilly & Co. London 8 Bore, double barrelled hammer wildfowling gun, Serial No. 21965. Back action locks with rebounding hammers, engraved with panels of scrolling foliage. straight grip stock. Weller & Dufty 03/10/1972

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Excellent research sir....you have a stock of catalogs which should be in a research library somewhere. You may have the only remaining examples of some of them!! They are truly gun history.
25634 - 1883. I could have had rue Scribe, Paris on its rib but didn't. For some reason half the 1883 extant Reilly's omitted Paris,
21965 - 1879. Would like to have the address on the ribs (since the barrels were available). It also could have had "Paris." Wonder what the weight and dimensions of the gun were. It had a straight stock; some Reilly big bore wildfowlers had pistol grips.

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Gene it,s 21965. a typo? Some of these catalogs have not been thumbed through for the last 30 years.....when I see some of the guns and equipment that was sold then, for a pittance of todays money, I could weep! The Weller catalogs are 2 day affairs, with over 1,000 lots, and took place every 5 weeks! A vast amount of material, from every gunmaker in the nation! And from gunmakers etc abroad! There are even rare American guns occasionally!. They had a great cataloger in Doug Nye, who probably knew more about guns than any 3 of the London auction house "experts". Wellers proud boast was that they were not just catalogs, but reference books!


P.S. If you would like to see one, send me an address, I,ll post you one. Regards Dave

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Typo....got the right number in the extant gun list. Thanks.


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Hi Gene, here,s a oddball, the serial number is clearly wrong, I wonder if it was a number put there by the Midland Gun Co when they re-barrelled?

12b D/B shotgun, Nitro proved, Top Lever Anson & deeley boxlock hammerless by E.M. Reilly & Co. Barrels by Midland Gun Co. Serial No. 7478 with fine scroll engraved action and straight hand stock with snap on forend. Barrels and furniture re-blacked, stock refinished, bores heavily pitted. Barrels 30"

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Hi Gene,
After trawling through the 1973 catalogues, with little success re: Reilly (other than a couple of the later Riggs stuff already in the database, and one with no serial number that was also a late gun) I am now into mid 1974, and guess what? Like taxis, where you wait for ages then 3 come at once,, same with Reillys! I have found 3 in the same catalogue (Weller & Dufty 1974). I shall email the page contents to you.

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Thanks David. A few comments on these guns:
-- 7478: There is a "7005" EM Reilly that I've postulated to have a dropped "2" in front of the 7. It fits with that period (i.e 27478 would be 1885. The Midland barrels would have been added later of course. The fact that there is an apparent original Reilly with SN (2)7005 will lead me to put this gun into this 27478 slot until proven otherwise.

Added the following from message 2 (no surprises...wondering if 13914 was originally a pin-fire):
13914 (1865) - E.M. Reilly & Co., (Stock, action, forarm); 12 bore, Single barrel Shotgun. U-L, back-action hammer-gun. (1974 catalog)
26281 (1885) - E.M. Reily & Co., (no barrel). 12 bore SxS shotgun. Top lever, hammerless boxlock. Stock, action and Anson frond (1974 catalog)
26403 (1885) - E.M. Reilly & Co., (address not mentioned). .500 BPE SxS rifle. U-L, hammer gun (1974 catalog).

David sent these from early catalogs: All are within the conventional parameters of the chart and SN graph but are 3 more data points - added:
17573 (1872) - E.M. Reilly & Co., London & Paris (no further info); .450 SxS Rifle. BPE. U-L, hammer gun. Restocked in India. 26“ brls.
18538 (1874) - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London & Rue Scribe, Paris. .577 BPE SxS rifle. U-L, hammer gun; back action hammers; grip tail trigger guard. 28” brls.
18757 (1874) - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London & Rue Scribe, Paris. .450 BPE SxS rifle. U-L, hammer gun; rebounding dolphin hammers. Henry rifling. 26" brls

Added two more new numbers David found from Gavin Gardiner, 31 March 2021 catalog:
12316 - E.M. Reilly & Co., (address not mentioned). 14 bore, Shotgun SxS. pin-fire, U-L hammer gun, non-rebounding hammer, grip safety, extractor.
16769 - E.M. Reilly & Co., (action, stock, fore-end). 12 bore Shotgun SxS. Purdey thumb lever, Hammer gun.

More from David 1977 catalogs:
18670 - E.M. Reilly & Co., Oxford Street, London & rue Scribe, Paris; .450 Cal BPE Rifle SxS. U-L, hammer gun. 3 1/4” chamber, gold line on rib, rebounding back-action hammers, 26” barrels
26530 - E.M. Reilly & Co., New Oxford Street, London. .450. BPE SxS rifle. U-L, Hammer gun, 3 1/4” chamber’s. 28” brls.

Wallis & Wallis Militaria sale July 1877 - this is a very early Reilly muzzle loader (spring 1850 per my chart)...
..8877 - Reilly, New Oxford Street, London; .577 single-barrel, rifle. Percussion gun. Butt style trigger guard. 3.5” brls.

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Hi Gene, It,s a pity there were no photographs of 13914, that would have probably confirmed your thoughts as to it originally being a pinfie.

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I have recently acquired a Reilly fowling piece and I was wondering where on the gun the serial number would be. I'll do a couple of photos when the weather improves (England, so might be a while!) Thanks.


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DD, traditionally the SN will be in four spots.
-- On the tang behind the trigger guard
-- On the water table aka action flats
-- On the inside of the forearm
-- and on the barrel
-- (some Reilly's from the 1850's did have SN's on the hammers - not a usual occurrence with Reilly).

The company name and address(es) will be on the rib or on the barrel(s).

The name will be engraved on the action side plates.

If the gun has been rebarreled, of course address and SN will not be on it.

If the gun is a pair or triple, the number "1," "2," or "3" will be on the doll's head or top key and engraved on the inside of the forearm.

If there is no serial number, Reilly did not make it, only engraved and marketed it.

Example from my 16 bore 27853: (Note the error made in stamping the action flats - we've established that the gun is in fact serial numbered 27853 and is #1 of a pair).
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