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No clue who engraved it, but that is a beautiful Lefever!...Geo
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Joseph Glahn and both Spangler's Albert and Wilton did engraving for LeFever. Is there a setter on the other side? Spangler's setters were done very nice.
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Nudge, You have to get better lite and closer photos for me to hazard a guess.
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JDW,
Yes, the first two pics are of the pointer looking back over his shoulder, kind of like he's reacting to the sound of a shot. The 2nd two pics are of the setter looking up at a falling bird.
I wish I could have taken super close shots, but the only camera I have is my camera phone, and when you try to zoom too close into the details it just get's fuzzy.
I've looked at them real close with a magnifying glass and do not see any obvious initials, but I know some guys are supposed to have hidden them in certain insignia's, etc.
If you (or anyone) can point out the best books for identifying specifically American gun engravers I'd also appreciate it. I know it's a big topic, but maybe just ones which focus on the big guys -- Spangler, Loy, Kraus, Glahn, etc.
- Nudge
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Walt,
Yeah, I can see that now. I'll see if I can borrow a nice camera and photograph them under stronger light...these were done in my workshop under florescents.
OK, so I guess I'm NOT going to be hired at the photographer for the 3rd edition of "The Ithaca Gun Company?" Damnit.
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Nudge, didn't see the forest through the trees. I did not scroll over to see the others.  In looking at the setter I don't think it was A.E. Spangler, might have been Glahn. Albert Kraus at this time was working for Hunter Arms Gun Co., so was Joseph Glahn. I don't know about the Spangler's still being at Hunter Arms Gun Co. then, but I do know that they both did other work for LeFever. Maybe Walt can help with other close-up pictures. I tried to Photoshop them and enlarge them but the resolution was too low. In a presentation Optimus Grade to President Benjamin Harrison, Spangler's name is there.  Joseph Glahn's signature, lower right corner, on a Syracuse L.C. Smith, Quality 6 or 7. 
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The pointer on the right of the OP's first post certainly looks like Joseph Loy's work to me.
That's my final decision...
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DAM16SXS,
Your final decision, huh? You're "jumping for Loy."
*golf clap*
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Thanks for chiming in. As I said to Walt, I will endeavor to get closer more detailed pics and then come back asking again.
- Nudge
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I disagree that this would be LOYs engraving, though I would love opinions or ideas to the idea: I think LOYs dog are incredible. ( seen mostly on High grade Remington's) they are a great balance of life-like and animated. They have an expression on their face. They also seem to have a very strong brow and heavy jowls. Here are some visuals Photo 1: top not Loy , bottom Loy ( of course just my thought, no documentation)  Photo 2: Loy setter?  Photo 3: not Loy setter?  Photo 4: not Loy setter ( sorry it is upside down) 
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