doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Thinking about getting a C&R..

I'm not a dealer by any stretch, but I occasionally (1-2 times a year) buy a gun that qualifies as a C&R. Is there any reason not to get the license. It would be cheaper and a heckuva lot more convenient for me.

easy enough to get, $30 for 3 years,you have to be able run your bound book-again easy. Some sellers won't take it but you find enough to spend you money with.

here is the form you have to fill out

https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16.pdf

There are a few dealers who will not ship to C&R, for no real reason other than they don"t like to ship to anyone other than FFL for ease of "remaining" within the law or what they think of as the law. Also make sure your local LEO is not a jerk about the C&R.

I did have a on going problem with my local LEO who thought that because I had a C&R he should be able to check in on me anytime he wanted for no legit reason. Bit of a over bearing jerk about it. I kept records as required and complied with all rules and laws but he was a pain in the a--. He wanted to know everything I had and why I had to have so much ammo and so many guns.

About four months after I gave my C&R up he returned for his "inspection" and I "suggested" he might want to get a warrant because he had no "right" to hassle me under a no longer valid C&R. After threatening to arrest me, to which I laughed, he claimed he had lifetime rights to inspect my collection. When he realized I was not going to give in he did call for backup and seeing a second police car in my driveway my next door neighbor, the town mayor, came over to see the situation. At that point the mayor told the chief LEO that they, the town attorney had told him previously that he could not do what he wanted to do. they got into a bit of a shouting match about it and the LEO left in a huff. That has been several years and I have not had anymore dealing with the LEO but he was a jerk. So just make sure your LEO is reasonable instead of a egomaniac with delusions of being the second coming of J. Edgar Hoover, unless he looks good in a red dress.

LEO has NO say in the ATF approval of a C&R FFL,in fact he can't examine the bound book OR your home without a warrant !
Your LEO was way out of the bound of the law !

The ATF is the only one who can do a compliance inspection and thats once a year (unless there is

"a licensee you are required to display your license on your licensed premises, to maintain certain required books and records accurately, and to submit to a compliance inspection of your licensed premises, your inventory and your required records as often as once annually.

The only firearms records which you are required by law to maintain, and to submit for inspection, are an acquisition and disposition book (your bound book), original BATF Forms 4473, Firearms Transaction Record for each firearm sold, original BATF Forms 5300.35 Statement of Intent to Obtain a Handgun(s) (the Brady Act form), and your retained copies (copy 4) of BATF Forms 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers for each multiple sale of handguns. Special occupational taxpayers may also be required to produce their Forms 2, 3, 5, 6 and 10 for firearms on hand. There may be additional state law records required of a dealer, but BATF has no jurisdiction over these records and arguably no jurisdiction to inspect them.

When a BATF inspector shows up for a compliance inspection, require credentials to be displayed by everyone present and note the full name of the inspector(s) in writing. Never permit a special agent or a state or local or non-BATF federal official to participate in a compliance inspection. These individuals have no authority under the inspection laws

https://gunowners.com/batf.htm

Dave, I believe you have a few things wrong in your statement unless I am reading something wrong, one is "LEO has NO say in the ATF approval of a C&R FFL,in fact he can't examine the bound book OR your home without a warrant !"
If he doesn't sign it you are not getting it, and you have to give him a copy of the new license every time you re-new.

Second one is "Firearms Transaction Record for each firearm sold" On my C&R license in bold letters above License Responsible person line is This License Does Not Authorize the Holder to Engage in the Business of Dealing in any Firearms. I believe Dealing means selling.

Let me know if I am wrong.

Also on my last form that I filled out for my new C&R, states that all NEW Responsible Applicants must submit prepared FD-258 (Fingerprint Card) with this application. Also a 2"x 2" full face photograph.

I've recently given some thought to the C&R route.

Seems like all my local gunshops have gone crazy. I bought a shotgun on GunBroker this week and went by my usual gunshop/sporting goods store which has supplied me with FFLs for years. When I asked for an FFL copy to send the seller, they balked and said they had to handle it dealer to dealer and that the selling FFL had to initiate contact with them.

I explained that I had no idea whether the seller was an FFL or just an individual. Their answer to that was that they could not provide a copy of their FFL to an individual.

I decided that they were just tired of my business, and went to another store. Got the same rigmarole. I finally went to a pawnshop and the owner was thrilled to hand me a signed and dated copy of his FFL to send the seller. I asked whether he was inspected by the same ATF agents as the other two stores I had visited, and he said yes of course and that the other guys didn't know what they were talking about.

Is there some change in effect that I should know about?...Geo

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"There are a few dealers who will not ship to C&R, for no real reason other than they don"t like to ship to anyone other than FFL for ease of "remaining" within the law or what they think of as the law. Also make sure your local LEO is not a jerk about the C&R."

Every argument I heard from one of these dealers was all smoke. The BOTTOM line is a C&R licensee cuts into their revenue and that's the real sticking point with them. I've told every dealer with this attitude that I won't do business with them.

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"Dave, I believe you have a few things wrong in your statement unless I am reading something wrong, one is "LEO has NO say in the ATF approval of a C&R FFL,in fact he can't examine the bound book OR your home without a warrant !"
If he doesn't sign it you are not getting it, and you have to give him a copy of the new license every time you re-new.
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You are in error. You just have to indicate on the application that you've sent a copy to the CLEO. He Does NOT sign off on it. You are confusing a Class 3 full auto transfer application where the CLEO does sign off with getting a C&R license.
Jim

Not worth having. Pay a dealer 40-50 per gun to do the transfer since you are only 1-2 guns per year

Why mess with it for a couple of bucks

John Boyd
Quality Arms

James, I had thought on my original form I had to have it signed by the local law enforcement officer.
This time I just gave him a copy.

Its all a pain these days...CR lic and you have to keep records and bend over for inspection...purchase online without CR and its 30-50 for ffl...30-50 shipping and wait for all this crap to take place...about a week to 10 days b4 you even see the gun...Im glad I can still purchase from individuals at the gun shows around here cash and carry....that's a free country all the rest is BS...