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I'm curious I am a half full glass guy.I have been shooting Damascus barrels for maybe 5 years but hunting so not too much shooting compared to a target shooter with no problem so far. I'm curious if any of responsible shooters which I assume most on this blog are have had a damascus barrel one blow up... I'm not talking about anyone with a wad stuck in the barrel.... and not your third cousin either...YOU?
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nope - and i hunt with them as well
i do ( and not just damascus) check the barrels regularly for obstructions when I go through snow covered areas or have debris falling from above
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I wonder how a barrel bows up from using a high pressured shell and blows some fingers off or an eye? If there is no obstruction in the barrel and a high pressure shell were to cause an issue what would really happen? Split the barrel only in the area of failure? Bulge the barrel? I can not understand catastrophic failure where a barrel does much else without a blockage.
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If there is no barrel obstruction and the shell is too high pressure, and there is a failure, the chamber will probably blow. This happened to one of my best friends with several friends present. Charles Boswell damascus gun, overload with Unique.
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Monty, I shoot an awful lot through my damascus guns and have never had any problem. One gun, an A. Alan from Scotland is my go to for skeet and it has digested thousands of rounds annually for a dozen years. Nary a problem even though there is some minor pitting in the chambers! Granted, all it has been fed is 6,000 to 7,000 psi hand loads. I did blow up a muzzleloading shotgun in the late 50's when I decided to load jest a teeny bit of Red Dot instead of black. Didn't know you didn't bulk load nitro......that little Belgium 16 let loose at the breech in spectacular fashion! No fingers lost though doc got to pick shot and barrel fragments out of me for awhile. Reckon this might be one of the reasons I shout at you on the phone.....? WHAT?
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I've shot between 5,000 and 6,000 smokeless rounds through my 1966 Joseph Lang 16 gauge non-rebounding hammer gun, rebarreled in Damascus about 1872 by James Woodward. About 500 RST and the rest my reload tested at about 7,200 psi by Tom Armbrust. Killed Quail down in Georgia last Friday. Not a single issue in those 5,000 to 6,000 rounds - it's probably the most reliable firearm I own (including modern rifles and handguns).
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Fly;
I presume you meant an "1866" Lang. It would have been kinda tough to have a 1966 gun rebarreled in 1872 since it wasn't going to be built for another 94 years.
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Tamid, prevailing wisdom is that a blown chamber is high pressure, and a blown barrel further down is an obstruction.
Obstruction is always accompanied by a ring bulge.
This is no matter what the barrel composition.
I've not personally experienced any blown guns, but have seen firsthand the results of both - in fluid steel guns.
Modern fluid steel barrels have a tremendous amount of elasticity. The result of a 20/12 accident in a Beretta 390 was a HUGE ring bulge, a shattered fore end, and very slight hand injury.
A Lanber that blew the chamber as a result of a very careless hand loader behaved as expected, and this would have happened with any barrel made of anything.
Fortunately, such accidents are few and far between but the human element is forever with us whenever we participate in ANY activity.
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It sounds like the proof houses in England are getting pretty good at blowing guns up...
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I believe pressure takes the path of least resistance. An over pressured shell must reach catastrophic pressures to blow a chamber instead of passing down the barrel. I'm not saying there would not be damage but without a barrel obstruction how much pressure is required to blow a breach otherwise? Without a compromised barrel it must be tremendously over SAAMI pressures? Now I am not an engineer but I am a generalist who works with engineers daily, the logic prevails me. Perhaps those who understand ballistic pressures can explain.
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