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Shortly after the requirement became mandatory that hunters use steel shot waterfowl loads for duck/goose shooting, and given that I was determined to use only vintage side x sides for all my hunting; I conducted my own experiment with steel shot using a vintage Fox gun. The gun was a 1907 vintage A Grade with a set of medium heavy 30" barrels that were not in pristine condition; those barrels were not pitted, but eroded to a "wavy" appearance in a portion of both tubes. So thinking I had nothing to lose, both chambers were opened to 3" (cause even 3" steel shells are light loaded when compared to 3" lead loads); and the chokes were opened to improved cylinder/modified. I fully expected to see longs gouges plowed into the walls of both tubes once the gun was fired; but I never found any evidence that the repeated shooting of steel shot thru those barrels caused any further damage to barrel tubes whatsoever. I certainly wouldn't recommend someone do the same with his gun, and I certainly wouldn't choose that route with a high grade gun or gun having great barrels; but my personal experience with steel shot and this old A Grade A.H. Fox gun was nothing but positive.
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with regard to shooting steel shot in old guns...
it is my understanding that the steel used for most shotgun barrels made prior to the mid eighties is too soft for use with steel shot. seems like the worry is that the harder steel shot will score the bore. have seen too many old guns with scored bores...have improved wads now eliminated that problem? A couple of years ago I read an article (can't remember where) written by a ballistics expert working for one of the major shell manufacturers. His statement was that with today's steel loads scoring of the bores is a myth.
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"cause even 3" steel shells are light loaded when compared to 3" lead loads"
I can't imagine anything further from the truth, I mean other than listening to Obama.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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"cause even 3" steel shells are light loaded when compared to 3" lead loads"
I can't imagine anything further from the truth, I mean other than listening to Obama.
In part, he's right. 3" steel is normally 1 1/8oz to 1 1/4oz. 3" Lead is typically 1 3/8 oz on up. However, the speed of factory shot steel shot is usually spiced up in an attempt to make up for the loss of mass. So..there's still recoil. Pressures of lead and steel factory rounds should be under the same limits/standards. I'm looking at an RSI Reloading Book Volume 8, Number 1. And, it has several loads for 3" hulls and steel under 8K. Multiple loads for 2 3/4" at 7k. All at a more reasonable fps.
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Back 'shortly after the requirement became mandatory' he wasn't hand loading steel because there were no components.
PSI is PSI and it matters not what the payload is.
SAAMI max is 11,500 PSI for 3" 12 gauge.
You have no idea what pressure factory shells are loaded to, lead, steel, or anything else unless it's stated.
'Thinking I had nothing to lose'. Taking a 1907 gun out to 3" and feeding it early factory steel is certainly an interesting experiment.
Glad both he and the gun survived... that would have been way outside of my comfort zone.
"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble
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now here is something to consider:
a decent 12 gauge fox sterlingworth with 30" tubes is worth around $700 these days...
a similar gun, the browning bss, with 30" tubes is worth at least twice as much, if not more...
so, how come? i mean is beefyer wood, a single selective trigger and auto ejectors worth all that much more?
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Ed Good,in a curiously masochistic way,delights in proving both his incompetence and lack of ethics on a daily basis on here as he has no place to go after being tossed off every other forum.
Thanks for correcting him with correct information.
Hillary For Prison 2018
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very strange behavior...amazing that it is tolerated here...
Last edited by ed good; 11/04/14 04:43 PM.
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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very strange behavior...amazing that it is tolerated here... Ed, amigo mio, we are fortunate to have Dave Weber as our host--He even allows you to "peddle your well-toasted wares herein" to the unwary. One reason (among many) why I have never taken a run at any of your overpriced shotguns you have listed here, is that like most all foxes, I tend to be very wary-- Caveat Emptor is the watchword, 24/7/365!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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"peddle your well-toasted wares herein" More like "burnt offerings", Foxy.
Practice safe eating. Always use a condiment.
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