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Am needing help in identifing a drilling that we discovered within father in law's collection, after his passing.

Markings on top of each barrel read: 'prima essen" with "gewerhrlau stahl krupp" marked within. Also, looks to be crossed swords in center of same?

There are of course several stampings of numbers and markings under the barrel, that I can provide pictures of, if I can be advised how to do this.

Thanks in advance.

These inscriptions merely advertise the source of the steel used in making the barrels. Translated it reads: "First class gun barrel steel by Krupp (steelworks) in Essen (city)". We need all markings under barrels, on watertable and, perhaps, on breechface. Maybe these markings will allow to identify the real maker, but at least they will serve to identify if Suhl or Zella-Mehlis, caliber and date. PM sent.

1st pass in Ferlach in 1919 with 14.5mm on the scattergun tubes and 7.5mm on the solid projectile tube.


Final pass in 1921 with 15.4mm on the scattergun tubes & 8.2mm(maybe Peterlongo?) on the rifle tube - need a length or chamber cast







Kind Regards,

Raimey
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I agree with the need for a chamber cast, though I rather suspect a 8x50R Mannlicher. While the German proofhouses stamped the bore diameter on rifle barrels, leading to lots of confusion now, the Austrians stamped the groove or bullet diameter.

Now the question is, is that a crack between the slots in the bottom of the receiver? Lordy I hope not!!!!

Not to argue with my betters,I suspect the head diameter of the 8X50R would be larger than appropriate.I would suspect something based on the 360 case, although this can only be a guess w/o some dimensions.This can be verified or refuted by simply measuring the chamber dia. at the head, or either the rim dia.Some type chambercast would still be required to ID the specific cartridge within the 8mm family of cartridges.
Mike

In those times in Austria, 8.2 was a short name for Mannlicher 8.2 m/m, a cartridge now generally called 8x50R Mannlicher. 8mm cartridges based on the old .360 case were generally called 8 mm or 8.1 mm.

With kind regards,
Jani

Jani,
What about the 8.2X55R or 8.2X62R, both loaded by Roth? I don't think the 8.2 on the barrel is the name of the cartridge, but rather the groove diameter of the barrel.Of course, as always,I can be wrong about this, as it is only based on my opinion.A chambercast or measuring the chamber would tell the tale.
Mike

Mike,
I don't have experience with the two less common 8.2 cartridges, but I do have experience with 8x50R. I also consulted a couple of Austrian gun catalogs from the 1920s. And you are of course right about 8.2 not being a name but rather diameter; maybe I should have written "name". Bottom line, I basically wanted to say that I agree that this drilling is probably chambered in 8x50R Mannlicher. But we can't be sure without a chamber cast of course.
With kind regards,
Jani

Speaking of other Austrian cartridges that had 8.2 in their names, a very common one was Mannlicher-Schoenauer 8.2 m/m (now called 8x56 Mann.-Sch.). This of course in rimless and not rimmed (R) but such cartridges were used in break open guns on rare ocassions.

With kind regards,
Jani