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Let's say you sell a doublegun today (12-2-13) to an out-of-state resident and you're going to ship the gun to him via UPS. The buyer has his FFL holder e-mail you a copy of his license, but the copy is signed and dated 4-22-13. The FFL expires on May 1, 2016. Note: It is stated and underlined on the FFL "The signature on each copy must be an original signature."
Is it legal?
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Yes, plug in his FFL here as long as it comes up with same addy ship the gun; https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/
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You don't care about the date or the signature. You just need to be sure you are sending it to an FFL holder who is current on his license. He could even send you a copy by email and it could be unsigned. Often the licensee will write on it "File Copy" for a certain transaction, sometimes not.
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Thank youse for the replies gents. Since it states and is emphasized on the FFL "The signature on each copy must be an original signature". I had thought that maybe to legal and to the letter of the law the copy you receive had to be a recently signed copy of an original and not a copy of a copy, as this one is.
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Page 4 (it does not matter when it was signed) http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-15.pdfUse a certified copy
of your license (make a copy of the unsigned original and
sign it) to make firearms purchases. Mailed, faxed, or
scanned copies of certified copies are acceptable.
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The acquiring of a "signed copy" of a FFL is not a law. The law is that you must ship to a FFL. Having a "signed copy" is one way that has been accepted by ATF of you having done due diligence to comply with the law. But it is not the only way.
The online verification is another accepted method.
But none of it matters. You are not bound by law to any method of verification. You can simply send based on verbal, reputation, or gut instinct. The only thing that matters is that you indeed send it to an FFL. The "accepted method" only comes into play if you sent it to a person/address that turns out to not be an FFL holder and you are being investigated. For example, you or I may decide to send a gun to Remington or CSM for repairs. We may be very confident of them having an FFL and we send the gun. There's no violation of law. We sent it to a FFL.
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