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I was wondering if folks had any observations to share about which boxlocks never split at the stock head...and why some designs might stand the tests of time and recoil better than others.

Stated differently, assuming the wood selected for the butt is appropriately grained, are there any designs that split out more frequently?

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Any gun with a through bolt is much less apt to split than stocks attached to the action in the traditional method due to the increase bearing surface afforded by the through bolt design. Savage made some Fox Sterlingworth guns with a through bolt in the last few years of production but they are not very common.

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Least likely - Model 21



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That's a very interesting link. Some amazing 'reconstructive surgery' there..
Thanks for posting it Drew.
Back to the original post, I'd guess any Boxlock with oil damage at the head could potentially split or crack. Another good reason to use oil sparingly and store guns muzzle down. I'm still surprised by the number of people who will spray WD 40 (a water displacing rust preventer and lubricant) on their guns, give them a quick wipe and put them in the cabinet muzzle up.
The upside is it'll keep stockers in business for years to come, very probably barrel blackers and browners too.

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It is a far better method to seal the head properly and then lube the moving parts as they should be. Muzzle down is simply good practice for storage but is no substitute for a properly sealed stock and/or lubed mechanism.

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I believe amongst the strongest are boxlocks built with action rebates that the wood slips into. I'm thinking mostly of Webley & Scott 700's. the head of the stock is really held tight using the rebated action on each side of the top tang. Needless to say, any stock that has visible gaps at the head is a candidate for becoming kindling. I agree stocks with a through bolt are potentially the strongest but usually at the expense of a much thicker wrist.

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have yet to see a browning bss with a cracked stock head. same goes for the russian baikal guns. most likely because these guns are relatively new and are designed for modern 3" mag ammo...

old stock heads usually crack, because the screws holding the wood to the metal are not torqued correctly...and because some idiot shot the hell out of the gun with modern heavy magnum loads.

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Originally Posted By: CJF
I was wondering if folks had any observations to share about which boxlocks never split at the stock head...and why some designs might stand the tests of time and recoil better than others.

Stated differently, assuming the wood selected for the butt is appropriately grained, are there any designs that split out more frequently?

TIA, Chris


Vintage LC Smith field grade doubles are worst offenders and foreign made guns with scaloped frames (French and Germans loved that feature). Not sure which ones are least prone to cracks but I would pick IZH clunker for that title.

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Originally Posted By: TwiceBarrel
Any gun with a through bolt is much less apt to split than stocks attached to the action in the traditional method due to the increase bearing surface afforded by the through bolt design. Savage made some Fox Sterlingworth guns with a through bolt in the last few years of production but they are not very common.


LGS has Savage Sterlingworth in top shape with late style wood mid bead and 30" barrels. How can one tell w/o taking butt plate off whether it has bolt or not? Is there serial range, lesser fit (like in Winchester 23 vs BSS)?

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