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Joe Wood, it IS in very high condition...! Darryl, thanks, I will ask him about. He owns this wonderful gun and besides a wonderful Royale double rifle as well, see here:   But they are not in use any more... :-((
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Buzz, would those barrels be after 1954 ?
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Daryl: Appears that way to me, but I'm no expert. If it is indeed the original set like SKB thinks, then where are the original proof marks??? What's your opinion?
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you can see where the original marks were for the most part removed but a shadow remains under the right barrel. I'm sure it has been re-proofed at one point, I'm unsure as to whether or not those are original barrels.
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SKB, it appears the serial numbers on the receiver and barrels were struck with different dies. Note the 1s and 3s for example. I wonder when making the gun if the same dies were used on both barrels and receiver. From what I "think" I see, it looks like the gun was rebarreled and then reproofed at a later date.
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Looks re-barrelled to me and original proofs for the new barrel.
Your friend should follow Daryls advice and contact Hollands first to establish the history and mate(s) of the gun. This narrows the search down first and lets you know what gun number(s) you are actually looking for.
Matchedpairs.com had been the main source for reuniting pairs in the past, but I believe the advances of archive auction house listing on the net and constructive google searches have made the service that Joe offers almost redundant.
I have had some success in reuniting a few Dickson guns this way (all big auction houses have an archive online) and one site that is really good for trawling the archives is artfact.com where you can even specify a serial number.
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You must contact Holland and Holland to determine the serial number of the other gun. Not all pairs are consecutive serial numbers.
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Good advice to contact H & H.
I have used Joe Hall/Matched Pairs in the past and Joe is a good guy.
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Almost certainly re-barreled , No sign of earlier proof marks . I would have expected to see some sign of the old provisional mark at the back of the flats as these were stamped fairly deep , the marks showing are post 1954.
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Both the Birmingham and London proof houses stamp an "R"stamp at the forward(muzzle end) end of the barrels flats when a gun has been re-proven. The photograph of the flats of the Birmingham made replacement barrel for the subject Holland Royal does not have the "R" stamp. (Or at least it was made by a Birmingham trade trained barrel maker) Whilst I suppose that a gun could be re-proven and not stamped (in error), I have not encountered such a mistake. They do make mistakes and I have encountered a gun re-proven that had the barrel bore stamps reversed from right to left. One is in my shop, just now.
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