S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums10
Topics38,479
Posts545,206
Members14,410
|
Most Online1,335 Apr 27th, 2024
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6 |
I saw a 12 ga. 30 in, DT, splinter, PW grip Fox A grade in the local shop today. The stock has been cut and it has been used and weighs 7 lbs. I can't read the choke markings, it has a 3 stamped on the underside of both barrels but will run a gauge thru them tomorrow. Marked price is $990. Any guestemates about proper value?
Thanks for the help.
W. E. Boyd
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 691 Likes: 7
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 691 Likes: 7 |
There won't be any choke markings. The 3 on the underside of the barrels was a factory code for the unstruck barrel weight. Generally speaking the asking price sounds in the ballpark per your description---it really depends on the condition of the barrels and how much of that stock has been cut off.
Wild Skies Since 1951
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,879 Likes: 15
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 13,879 Likes: 15 |
That's a nice weight for a 12ga upland gun. For an A grade, it could be low, high or just right depending on condition and features. Early style engraving? Ejectors? Condition?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,436 Likes: 34
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,436 Likes: 34 |
How short is the stock? Could be unshootable.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6 |
The stock in about 14". My typical length is 15 1/4. I haven't checked for ejectors and I need to think about condition. I don't know Fox engraving styles.
W. E. Boyd
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438 |
Just considering the stock length; It could easily be taken out to 15 1/4 LOP with a pad if you don't mind that "look". If this is an A grade ejector gun, with proper functioning ejectors, IMO it would be a steal at that price. If it's an early A grade the engraving will be very sparse. The later ones had more engraving which some either like or hate. Jim
The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 14,126 Likes: 198
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 14,126 Likes: 198 |
Serial number, bore and choke diameters, condition, pictures. Is the 14" stock with or without pad? Then we can get started.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 286 Likes: 6 |
It doesn't have a pad. Someone put a piece of wood on it and checkered the butt. Seiral numbers to wait until tomorrow.
W. E. Boyd
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 592 Likes: 2
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 592 Likes: 2 |
docbill - suggest you do a search for the A.H. Fox Collectors Association website and check out the excellent information on grades, mechanisms, and other basic identification information. A.H. Fox guns are classic workhorses but many have been abused over their long lives as there are also lots of good ones for reasonable prices out there. I suggest getting to know much more about this great American double gun maker before you decide on the first one you come across.
All the best, jmc
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 8,158 Likes: 114 |
Another good way, sort of a "ballpark" method, is by the barrel steel markings- If this A or AE has Krupp or Krupp Flustahl (fluid steel)barrels, it is most likely an earlier Fox gun-- AH Fox had 4 basic barrel weight stamps- 1 0r 2 stamp on a 12 gauge indicated heavier walled barrels, more gun weight-3 0r 4 (the 4 more often on the lighter 16 and 20 bore Fox guns) would mean lighter barrels, a somewhat lighter weight gun-- Also know that this Fox has 2 & 5/8" chambers, not a real problem with today's available 12 gauge loads-- chokes are best checked with a gauge, even better by patterning-- If this Fox is mechanically sound, locks up tight- I'd go for it- Ejectors and fancier engraving are fine, but don't kill birds- gun fit, balance, chokes, loads used and trigger pull weights do-- You have a great "bargaining chip" with the cut off stock- if you like the gun, and what's not to like about a Fox??- I'd try offering the dealer $750 cash-- citing the butchered buttstock- then send it to Brad Bachelder for proper stock length- I have seen some of his work on buttstock "splicing" and pads- flawless- have him strip and clean the action- and you have one of the best boxlock double guns ever made, way better than a Parker or a Ithaca, IMO-- You'd pay way more than $900 in today's over-inflated Parker [pricing for just a used 12 Trojan, which will weigh 7 & 1/2 lbs. or more with 30" barrels-
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
|
|
|
|
|