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Tom,
We seldom have dimensions that fit a known cartridge precisely. First of all we have to measure the chamber instead of a cartridge in most cases. The chamber has to be larger than the cartridge,right off the bat,otherwise it won't chamber.The question becomes,"how much larger and in which dimensions?".
There is no hard and fast answer to this,due to differences in the "designed allowances" and tolerances between the different manufacturers. Bullet diameters are a major source of misunderstanding also. Old cartridges very seldom fit the barrels in the manner we usually insist on. What this all means is we seldom find a cartridge, which has dimensions the same as we deduce from the chamber will be required.We then have to just use our best judgement or guess in finding the nominal caliber designation. Walmart is not going to have any ammo for these old rifles anyway, so it doesn't matter what you call it. What matters is being able to find or make cases and bullets to fit the rifle.Then,you can just call it what ever you think would fit best.We don't have this problem with more modern calibers,and the more modern rifles are usually marked in some manner.Based on dimensions given above(may change with chamber cast)I think the 8x50R Lebel case will fit the best and for bullets, either "as cast" 43 Spanish or sized 43 Mauser.The rims may have to be modified to "A"base or "MB" type,but this isn't much of a problem.Just something to consider.
Mike

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Funny that you bring that up Mike.
I still haven't done a chamber cast as of yet but I did make some interesting discoveries - including how bad my original measurements were.
The groove dimensions are actually .453 and the base is still .536.
Length was off though. The chamber will eat a 45-70 case. I tried fitting a reformado in it but not enough taper above the base.
Looking forward to that cast.

Tom


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Tom,
Did you read the article in WAIDMANNSHEIL issue #46,Summer 2011, entitled 11mm Ammo and Rifles? If 8x50R Lebel is too short, and it is shorter than 45-70,you may have to go to 348 Win. or 50-95/50-100. These would require sizing the head a good bit to get smaller than.536"( 348 may be a seasonal item, but Starline should have 50 cal. for BPCR shooters). Do you have an arbor press in your shop? You really need a chamber cast. It wouldn't be fun if you could buy ammo in Walmart.
Mike

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